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kill it. kill it with fire. though to be fair, ncurses isn't a joy to work with.

by dingosity 3y ago

robertoandred 3y ago
Why kill it? What's wrong with CLI interfaces?
- retrocryptid 3y ago
  There's nothing wrong with CLIs. Emulating the idiocy of HTML in the terminal window is... suboptimal. (n)curses isn't great, but the joy of ncurses is it's so bad you know you need to replace it (or more likely layer something on top of it.)
  - robertoandred 3y ago
    React isn't HTML.
    - lwansbrough 3y ago
      Holy semantics. JSX is based on XML, which HTML is also based on. I think GP just hates React and JSX, which is valid.
      - zokier 3y ago
        Html is not really based on xml, historically its more like the other way around, xml was inspired by html(/sgml). Xhtml was distinct dead-end evolutionary branch
        retrocryptid 3y ago
        It is true I do not care for xml, html, xhtml or sgml. And the one thing that was decent about sgml, dsssl, we threw away. I do not care for the box model of HTML and would prefer for a segmented flow model so I can easily reason about pages as being... well... pages. I have no problem with declarative layout or semantic documents, but dislike frameworks that conflate the two. But... clearly... if you like react on HTML and want to have browser-like rendering of text on your terminal than more power to you. I'll go off now and build something that demonstrates my concerns. Thx for not severely down-voting my comment before I could begin to clarify...
  - jitl 3y ago
    This seems to be much nicer than ncurses, since it's a declarative interface rather than an imperative one. Outside of Flexbox, there's nothing HMTL-specific in the API. An XML-like syntax is used because UI on most platforms is conceived as an ordered tree structure, such as Windows (XAML), Apple (XIB), Android, and Web (HTML). The built-in components are all conceived as TTY-native ideas, not as HTML concepts: <Text> <Box> <Newline> <Spacer> <Static> <Transform>
  - 1letterunixname 3y ago
    Curses bindings in another language, say Ruby or Python, makes it a lot easier to deal with. I wrote a disk drive monitor in Ruby in an afternoon using curses to crop the window and reduce flashing of redrawing.
  - michaelsbradley 3y ago
    Maybe give Notcurses a look: https://github.com/dankamongmen/notcurses https://github.com/dankamongmen/notcurses
    - retrocryptid 3y ago
      Thx for the reference. I hadn't seen this before.

kill it. kill it with fire. though to be fair, ncurses isn't a joy to work with.

robertoandred 3y ago

Why kill it? What's wrong with CLI interfaces?

retrocryptid 3y ago
There's nothing wrong with CLIs. Emulating the idiocy of HTML in the terminal window is... suboptimal. (n)curses isn't great, but the joy of ncurses is it's so bad you know you need to replace it (or more likely layer something on top of it.)
- robertoandred 3y ago
  React isn't HTML.
  - lwansbrough 3y ago
    Holy semantics. JSX is based on XML, which HTML is also based on. I think GP just hates React and JSX, which is valid.
    - zokier 3y ago
      Html is not really based on xml, historically its more like the other way around, xml was inspired by html(/sgml). Xhtml was distinct dead-end evolutionary branch
      - retrocryptid 3y ago
        It is true I do not care for xml, html, xhtml or sgml. And the one thing that was decent about sgml, dsssl, we threw away. I do not care for the box model of HTML and would prefer for a segmented flow model so I can easily reason about pages as being... well... pages. I have no problem with declarative layout or semantic documents, but dislike frameworks that conflate the two. But... clearly... if you like react on HTML and want to have browser-like rendering of text on your terminal than more power to you. I'll go off now and build something that demonstrates my concerns. Thx for not severely down-voting my comment before I could begin to clarify...
- jitl 3y ago
  This seems to be much nicer than ncurses, since it's a declarative interface rather than an imperative one. Outside of Flexbox, there's nothing HMTL-specific in the API. An XML-like syntax is used because UI on most platforms is conceived as an ordered tree structure, such as Windows (XAML), Apple (XIB), Android, and Web (HTML). The built-in components are all conceived as TTY-native ideas, not as HTML concepts: <Text> <Box> <Newline> <Spacer> <Static> <Transform>
- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  Curses bindings in another language, say Ruby or Python, makes it a lot easier to deal with. I wrote a disk drive monitor in Ruby in an afternoon using curses to crop the window and reduce flashing of redrawing.
- michaelsbradley 3y ago
  Maybe give Notcurses a look: https://github.com/dankamongmen/notcurses https://github.com/dankamongmen/notcurses
  - retrocryptid 3y ago
    Thx for the reference. I hadn't seen this before.