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The European Commission is considering new rules on how networks interconnect

33 points by pier25 4y ago

pier25 4y ago
Sorry for the editorialized title. The original title was way too long.
dp-hackernews 4y ago
More backdoor censorship via artificiality imposed restrictions that also involve indirect taxation to fund it - just laying more foundation for 1984
MichaelZuo 4y ago
For reference the top 10 by Internet exchange point participation are: ASN Name IXes AS6939 Hurricane Electric LLC 290 AS13335 Cloudflare, Inc. 287 AS42 WoodyNet, Inc. 251 AS3856 Packet Clearing House, Inc. 250 AS15169 Google LLC 221 AS20940 Akamai International B.V. 202 AS8075 Microsoft Corporation 195 AS32934 Facebook, Inc. 184 AS16509 Amazon.com, Inc. 149 AS54113 Fastly, Inc. 125 Though I don't think this reflects the rank of overall importance to settlement-free transit, since a single settlement-free agreement with AT&T or Deutsche Telekom or China Telecom, etc., would be worth more then hundreds of agreements with smaller regional players. Probably the importance of IXPs also follow a power-law distribution, with the top 100 exchanges combined seeing more traffic then the next 1000 combined.
trasz4 4y ago
tl;dr Cloudflare and other Big Data companies want to continue parasitizing on telco companies
- tomschlick 4y ago
  Its more like telcos want to be paid from both ends for the same data. They want subscriptions from their customers every month and then want tech companies to pay to send data.
afiori 4y ago
By Big Telco I imagine they refer to ring companies like T-Mobile Vodafone. My understanding is that they are already paid by the end user [0] but want to be paid more for the incoming (video) traffic. Cloudfpare claims that in the EU there are mostly two ways for them and Netflix to reach a user 1. Connect to a big exchange where every Telco is connected 2. Directly peer with the Telco at much higher prices The thing I do not understand is why do Telcos accept lower prices from the exchange. Is connectivity sold auction-, style? Could t-mobile decide to charge double [1] for use of its infrastructure? Whatever it happening it is unclear to me why they happen to accept lower prices from one entry point and not another. Are these connections materially different? [0] end user is well defined in the case of someone whatching Netflix. [1] by net neutrality they cannot charge Netflix more, but they can charge everyone more.
- andersa 4y ago
  > The thing I do not understand is why do Telcos accept lower prices from the exchange. They are forced to, if they did not, their users would complain that the internet does not work.
  - afiori 4y ago
    I guess that they would mostly only have collective bargaining power not individual and to use it it might make them an illegal price-fixing cartel.

33 points by pier25 4y ago

Sorry for the editorialized title. The original title was way too long.

More backdoor censorship via artificiality imposed restrictions that also involve indirect taxation to fund it - just laying more foundation for 1984

MichaelZuo 4y ago

For reference the top 10 by Internet exchange point participation are: ASN Name IXes AS6939 Hurricane Electric LLC 290 AS13335 Cloudflare, Inc. 287 AS42 WoodyNet, Inc. 251 AS3856 Packet Clearing House, Inc. 250 AS15169 Google LLC 221 AS20940 Akamai International B.V. 202 AS8075 Microsoft Corporation 195 AS32934 Facebook, Inc. 184 AS16509 Amazon.com, Inc. 149 AS54113 Fastly, Inc. 125 Though I don't think this reflects the rank of overall importance to settlement-free transit, since a single settlement-free agreement with AT&T or Deutsche Telekom or China Telecom, etc., would be worth more then hundreds of agreements with smaller regional players. Probably the importance of IXPs also follow a power-law distribution, with the top 100 exchanges combined seeing more traffic then the next 1000 combined.

trasz4 4y ago

tl;dr Cloudflare and other Big Data companies want to continue parasitizing on telco companies

tomschlick 4y ago
Its more like telcos want to be paid from both ends for the same data. They want subscriptions from their customers every month and then want tech companies to pay to send data.

afiori 4y ago

By Big Telco I imagine they refer to ring companies like T-Mobile Vodafone. My understanding is that they are already paid by the end user [0] but want to be paid more for the incoming (video) traffic. Cloudfpare claims that in the EU there are mostly two ways for them and Netflix to reach a user 1. Connect to a big exchange where every Telco is connected 2. Directly peer with the Telco at much higher prices The thing I do not understand is why do Telcos accept lower prices from the exchange. Is connectivity sold auction-, style? Could t-mobile decide to charge double [1] for use of its infrastructure? Whatever it happening it is unclear to me why they happen to accept lower prices from one entry point and not another. Are these connections materially different? [0] end user is well defined in the case of someone whatching Netflix. [1] by net neutrality they cannot charge Netflix more, but they can charge everyone more.

andersa 4y ago
> The thing I do not understand is why do Telcos accept lower prices from the exchange. They are forced to, if they did not, their users would complain that the internet does not work.
- afiori 4y ago
  I guess that they would mostly only have collective bargaining power not individual and to use it it might make them an illegal price-fixing cartel.