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but if information alone is weight then creating that dictionary separately would add to the weight of the exact order of the random data now has meaning.

by cwmma 3y ago

foxyv 3y ago
When you assign a meaning to something, you are merely establishing a relationship between two systems which is information itself. It does not add information to either of the two systems. It merely creates third system with it's own information. For instance, if you have the state "H" and want to add a meaning to it "High Temperature" you need to create a third piece of information "H" -> "High Temperature" You are not changing the information in "H" or "High Temperature" you are merely creating a third piece of information which is the lambda.
- cwmma 3y ago
  but isn't that like...everything the only way a hard drive has information is because though language and other technical specs we assign meaning to the things on the hard drive?
  - foxyv 3y ago
    Those meanings are stored in billions of human brains which trigger neural networks which cause us to exhibit a behavior. The meanings are not intrinsic to the universe, but are specific to our own knowledge. Take for instance the word "Red." To a computer this means: 52, 65, 64 The there is a mapping to letters call an ASCII table or UTF-8 encoding. Then there is a mapping from character data to a bitmap containing the letters projection on a screen. Then there is a mapping in your brain that associates that sequence of letters to a neural structure that encodes your memory of the color red. That mapping was created by a teacher that showed you the color red next to those letters. But in the end, the numbers 52, 65, 64 haven't gained any information. They could still mean anything based on which system interacts with them. An RGB color picker will interpret it as a nice teal color. Without knowing what system to use to interpret their meaning, they are meaningless aside from the numbers themselves. You need the key to find the difference which is information itself.

but if information alone is weight then creating that dictionary separately would add to the weight of the exact order of the random data now has meaning.

by cwmma 3y ago

but if information alone is weight then creating that dictionary separately would add to the weight of the exact order of the random data now has meaning.

foxyv 3y ago

When you assign a meaning to something, you are merely establishing a relationship between two systems which is information itself. It does not add information to either of the two systems. It merely creates third system with it's own information. For instance, if you have the state "H" and want to add a meaning to it "High Temperature" you need to create a third piece of information "H" -> "High Temperature" You are not changing the information in "H" or "High Temperature" you are merely creating a third piece of information which is the lambda.

cwmma 3y ago
but isn't that like...everything the only way a hard drive has information is because though language and other technical specs we assign meaning to the things on the hard drive?
- foxyv 3y ago
  Those meanings are stored in billions of human brains which trigger neural networks which cause us to exhibit a behavior. The meanings are not intrinsic to the universe, but are specific to our own knowledge. Take for instance the word "Red." To a computer this means: 52, 65, 64 The there is a mapping to letters call an ASCII table or UTF-8 encoding. Then there is a mapping from character data to a bitmap containing the letters projection on a screen. Then there is a mapping in your brain that associates that sequence of letters to a neural structure that encodes your memory of the color red. That mapping was created by a teacher that showed you the color red next to those letters. But in the end, the numbers 52, 65, 64 haven't gained any information. They could still mean anything based on which system interacts with them. An RGB color picker will interpret it as a nice teal color. Without knowing what system to use to interpret their meaning, they are meaningless aside from the numbers themselves. You need the key to find the difference which is information itself.