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Success stories like this make a better argument for "Why Lisp?" than abstract blog posts. We know macros are awesome, but if you're trying to convert others p

Success stories like this make a better argument for "Why Lisp?" than abstract blog posts. We know macros are awesome, but if you're trying to convert others please provide code, screenshots, or even an interactive web demo.

shakow 3y ago
> abstract blog posts If you refer to the blog post that made Top HN yesterday, it is very much backed by actual experience (https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/) and quite a load of code (https://github.com/atlas-engineer/nyxt/tree/master/source https://github.com/atlas-engineer/nyxt/tree/master/source).
- Archit3ch 3y ago
  Good to know! I skimmed yesterday's article.
- mncharity 3y ago
  > the blog post that made Top HN yesterday Why Lisp? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35852321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35852321
nextaccountic 3y ago
Just a little thing, this is in Julia
- elcritch 3y ago
  Some have said Python is "enough" of a Lisp, but it's really not. Julia is much closer to being a true Lisp. It has macros sure, but its the overall feel and flexibility of the ecosystem that feels Lispy. At least as much as I've dabbled with Lisp and its history.
  - cosmojg 3y ago
    Have you tried running `julia --lisp`? That's a full-blown Femtolisp interpreter built right into the REPL! I also recommend playing with `Meta.show_sexpr` which can take any Julia expression and represent it as an S-expression. For example: julia> Meta.show_sexpr(:(f(x, g(y,z)))) (:call, :f, :x, (:call, :g, :y, :z)) Lastly, this old doc page comparing and contrasting Julia with Common Lisp is a fun read: https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1.3-dev/manual/noteworthy-differences/#Noteworthy-differences-from-Common-Lisp-1 https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1.3-dev/manual/noteworthy-dif...
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    To put it in perspective, Julia is a Dylan like Lisp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programmi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Dylan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Dylan Nowadays still alive as Open Dylan, https://opendylan.org/ https://opendylan.org/
- dermesser 3y ago
  It turns out that Julia is ~a lisp, just with a weird syntax. If you look at the metaprogramming facilities, all expressions are first turned into s-exprs while parsing. There is no problem having a LISP syntax for Julia, and in fact this has been implemented! (https://github.com/swadey/LispSyntax.jl https://github.com/swadey/LispSyntax.jl) https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/metaprogramming/ https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/metaprogramming/
pjmlp 3y ago
Siscog, a decades old Portuguese company using CL for their products. https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/products https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/products https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/news/siscog-sponsors-the-2022-european-lisp-symposium/ https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/news/siscog-sponsors-the-2022-eu...

shakow 3y ago

> abstract blog posts If you refer to the blog post that made Top HN yesterday, it is very much backed by actual experience (https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/) and quite a load of code (https://github.com/atlas-engineer/nyxt/tree/master/source https://github.com/atlas-engineer/nyxt/tree/master/source).

Archit3ch 3y ago
Good to know! I skimmed yesterday's article.
mncharity 3y ago
> the blog post that made Top HN yesterday Why Lisp? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35852321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35852321

nextaccountic 3y ago

Just a little thing, this is in Julia

elcritch 3y ago
Some have said Python is "enough" of a Lisp, but it's really not. Julia is much closer to being a true Lisp. It has macros sure, but its the overall feel and flexibility of the ecosystem that feels Lispy. At least as much as I've dabbled with Lisp and its history.
- cosmojg 3y ago
  Have you tried running `julia --lisp`? That's a full-blown Femtolisp interpreter built right into the REPL! I also recommend playing with `Meta.show_sexpr` which can take any Julia expression and represent it as an S-expression. For example: julia> Meta.show_sexpr(:(f(x, g(y,z)))) (:call, :f, :x, (:call, :g, :y, :z)) Lastly, this old doc page comparing and contrasting Julia with Common Lisp is a fun read: https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1.3-dev/manual/noteworthy-differences/#Noteworthy-differences-from-Common-Lisp-1 https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1.3-dev/manual/noteworthy-dif...
- pjmlp 3y ago
  To put it in perspective, Julia is a Dylan like Lisp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programmi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Dylan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Dylan Nowadays still alive as Open Dylan, https://opendylan.org/ https://opendylan.org/
dermesser 3y ago
It turns out that Julia is ~a lisp, just with a weird syntax. If you look at the metaprogramming facilities, all expressions are first turned into s-exprs while parsing. There is no problem having a LISP syntax for Julia, and in fact this has been implemented! (https://github.com/swadey/LispSyntax.jl https://github.com/swadey/LispSyntax.jl) https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/metaprogramming/ https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/metaprogramming/

pjmlp 3y ago

Siscog, a decades old Portuguese company using CL for their products. https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/products https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/products https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/news/siscog-sponsors-the-2022-european-lisp-symposium/ https://www.siscog.pt/en-gb/news/siscog-sponsors-the-2022-eu...