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You’re downplaying one and, uh, up-playing the other. Vaccines can technically have permanent side effects. You’d only be” forced to bear a child” if you decide

You’re downplaying one and, uh, up-playing the other. Vaccines can technically have permanent side effects. You’d only be” forced to bear a child” if you decide to have sex without adequate birth control. There’s also another body involved. Just to be clear I’m pro-choice, though I think abortion should be done as early as possible. I just really dislike dishonest rhetoric.

ithkuil 3y ago
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was talking about the where people felt their rights were infringed because they couldn't go to a restaurant without a vaccine. Surely, forcing people to get a vaccine at gunpoint is as serious as it gets. The middle-ground is trickier: how to think about professionals who have been effectively forced to get a vaccine at the cost of losing their jobs and livelihood. In practice though I've heard way more complaining about absolute freedom from people in the former camp. As for the adequate birth control angle: sure, some people are careless, some people are just young, birth control methods do fail, etc. there are so many ways you can end up with a unwanted pregnancy, including some that are easier to sympathize with even for the most strict defender of the morals (I hope), like rape.
- Auracle 3y ago
  I doubt there are good stats on this, but the only people I've ever known to have an abortion it was because they weren't using birth control (or correctly). My wife used to watch that MTV show about teen pregnancy, and they all pretty much had the same story. If I were king for a day I'd make every abortion more expensive than the last, and I would also make it more expensive the further along you are - barring fetal abnormalities and other gotchas. Those fees would go towards birth control and education about it.
jleyank 3y ago
I suspect the chance of accidental pregnancy > the chance of vaccine problems. Neither of these are absolute-success kinds of things. And not every vaccine target is genetically stable.

ithkuil 3y ago

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was talking about the where people felt their rights were infringed because they couldn't go to a restaurant without a vaccine. Surely, forcing people to get a vaccine at gunpoint is as serious as it gets. The middle-ground is trickier: how to think about professionals who have been effectively forced to get a vaccine at the cost of losing their jobs and livelihood. In practice though I've heard way more complaining about absolute freedom from people in the former camp. As for the adequate birth control angle: sure, some people are careless, some people are just young, birth control methods do fail, etc. there are so many ways you can end up with a unwanted pregnancy, including some that are easier to sympathize with even for the most strict defender of the morals (I hope), like rape.

Auracle 3y ago
I doubt there are good stats on this, but the only people I've ever known to have an abortion it was because they weren't using birth control (or correctly). My wife used to watch that MTV show about teen pregnancy, and they all pretty much had the same story. If I were king for a day I'd make every abortion more expensive than the last, and I would also make it more expensive the further along you are - barring fetal abnormalities and other gotchas. Those fees would go towards birth control and education about it.

jleyank 3y ago

I suspect the chance of accidental pregnancy > the chance of vaccine problems. Neither of these are absolute-success kinds of things. And not every vaccine target is genetically stable.