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This is why all bills should be single issue, with a public comment period of 1 day per page of text before a vote is allowed

hoosieree 3y ago
This will just result in extremely large page sizes and extremely small font sizes.
- clnq 3y ago
  Good. The public can reject it for obvious manipulation quickly.
  - undersuit 3y ago
    Sure they will. Now look at a picture of this kitten.
    - clnq 3y ago
      Who wouldn’t vote for the Covertly Undermining Transparency and Expanding Key Invasive Tracking Targeting You (CUTE KITTY) Act? Seems harmless enough.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  If only we could regulate the size the page and the font in the law / amendment that would create the single subject rule and/or the waiting period law
- dudeofea 3y ago
  450 pages in one page would surpass printer DPI limits I would hope
- deleted 3y ago
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chongli 3y ago
How do you define single issue? Take a budget bill. There can be hundreds of line items in the budget. Are you saying every line item should be its own bill? That would take all year just to do one budget. If not, where do you draw the line?
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Well I would start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-subject_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-subject_rule From there (since I am in the US) I would look at the decades of jurisprudence at the state level where most states have already adopted a Single Subject rule for their legislature's and have not seemed to gotten bogged down by it. it is not a new concept. here is a pretty good overview from the MN legislature: https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/sssubtitle.pdf https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/sssubtitle.pdf Then I could look to the Proposed law in Congress (https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/872/text?r=7&s=1 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/872/...) which addresses your budget concern by adding "An appropriations bill shall not contain any general legislation or change of existing law provision, " meaning a budget is about a budget not about passing new laws or changing laws / regulations. That is just a start of where one could go for this topic
  - chongli 3y ago
    How does this deal with issues where a particular regulation needs funding to have any force (such as funding a regulatory agency to enforce the regulation) and opponents of the regulation might choose to defund the agency (by removing its funding in the budget) to prevent enforcement?
    - phpisthebest 3y ago
      Do you have any experience with the legislative process at all? Because that is pretty common tool (defunding a program or agency) used today and has no relevance to the single subject rule
      - 3y ago

hoosieree 3y ago

This will just result in extremely large page sizes and extremely small font sizes.

clnq 3y ago
Good. The public can reject it for obvious manipulation quickly.
- undersuit 3y ago
  Sure they will. Now look at a picture of this kitten.
  - clnq 3y ago
    Who wouldn’t vote for the Covertly Undermining Transparency and Expanding Key Invasive Tracking Targeting You (CUTE KITTY) Act? Seems harmless enough.
phpisthebest 3y ago
If only we could regulate the size the page and the font in the law / amendment that would create the single subject rule and/or the waiting period law
dudeofea 3y ago
450 pages in one page would surpass printer DPI limits I would hope
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chongli 3y ago

How do you define single issue? Take a budget bill. There can be hundreds of line items in the budget. Are you saying every line item should be its own bill? That would take all year just to do one budget. If not, where do you draw the line?

phpisthebest 3y ago
Well I would start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-subject_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-subject_rule From there (since I am in the US) I would look at the decades of jurisprudence at the state level where most states have already adopted a Single Subject rule for their legislature's and have not seemed to gotten bogged down by it. it is not a new concept. here is a pretty good overview from the MN legislature: https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/sssubtitle.pdf https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/sssubtitle.pdf Then I could look to the Proposed law in Congress (https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/872/text?r=7&s=1 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/872/...) which addresses your budget concern by adding "An appropriations bill shall not contain any general legislation or change of existing law provision, " meaning a budget is about a budget not about passing new laws or changing laws / regulations. That is just a start of where one could go for this topic
- chongli 3y ago
  How does this deal with issues where a particular regulation needs funding to have any force (such as funding a regulatory agency to enforce the regulation) and opponents of the regulation might choose to defund the agency (by removing its funding in the budget) to prevent enforcement?
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    Do you have any experience with the legislative process at all? Because that is pretty common tool (defunding a program or agency) used today and has no relevance to the single subject rule
    - 3y ago