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> This captures the crux of the problem in that we claimed we’d have True AI when a computer could beat a human in chess. But when that occurred with Deep Blue,
by ballenf 3y ago
> This captures the crux of the problem in that we claimed we’d have True AI when a computer could beat a human in chess. But when that occurred with Deep Blue, and we saw the code, it was explainable and therefore not true AI. Then we moved the goalpost and said that if a computer could beat a human in Go, then we’d have True AI. When that occurred with AlphaGo and we saw the code, we moved the goalposts yet again.
We believed that chess and go proficiency were good proxies for true AI. They weren't. They were proxies for advancement, but the underlying issue is that we don't know how much we don't know about the human mind.
Every AI advancement helps us learn more about our minds, but the amount we don't know is still unknown.
The moving of the goalposts was not done because "we saw the code" it was because Deep Blue and Alpha Go were obviously not AI. Again, we were just wrong about those tasks being good proxies.
- jackmott42 3y agoI'm not sure we were wrong about Go. The general approach that conquered Go just a few years later led to something passing the Turing test. Give it a few more years, see what happens.
- byyyy 3y agoNo those were never official goal posts. The one goal post was official and famous was the Turing test that measured if a human could tell the difference between a text chat generated by an AI or one generated by a human. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test Literally the inventor of the Turing machine came up with this test so this was always the north star goal post since computing began. It's a way higher bar then any of the nameless goal posts you mentioned. Unfortunately this goal post was also just moved recently with LLMs.
- dS0rrow 3y agoI dont think its fair to say that LLMs have passed the Turing test.
- byyyy 3y agoThey have a very high passing rate when the user is not actively investigating if the entity they are chatting with is an LLM. Thus the goal post has moved to incorporate this aspect. The goal post will keep moving as LLMs improve.