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I hope I don't get hate for this, but I still use my old Yahoo! email account in parallel and I find the email experience much better than what Gmail has become

I hope I don't get hate for this, but I still use my old Yahoo! email account in parallel and I find the email experience much better than what Gmail has become. Especially the use of tabs yahoo enables and the non-intrusive ads on the side make my productivity and multi tasking way better. To me, the only advantage to Gmail is integration with the Google ecosystem, especially for Android users, but purely for email, it seems to have stagnated, but not in a good way like wine, compared to the old HTML days of 2005 when it blew everything out of the water. How Gmail still not have tabs is bewildering to me.

CoastalCoder 3y ago
Honest question: why would you expect hate for using Yahoo mail?
- jorts 3y ago
  A lot of people like to give you a hard time for using an “old” email address like yahoo, hotmail, or aol.
  - bbarn 3y ago
    I'm more likely to give someone a hard time for using email at all. I find it increasingly less useful every year. Currently it's a massive storage of confirmation emails and receipts for me.
    - goldcd 3y ago
      But if you look at it as a "unified notification framework with powerful management tools and wide API access" - it's a market-conquering monster.
    - the_third_wave 3y ago
      Email is just as useable as it was years ago as long as you run your own server. The oft-mentioned spam problem has been dealt with, I hardly ever see any of it - as in maybe a few items per year - and certainly get less spam on my self-hosted addresses than I see on the Gmail-address I keep around for testing whether Gmail accepts mail from my server. This is another ruse often thrown by those who don't believe in self-hosting services, insisting that Google and Microsoft simply refuse to interoperate with self-hosted mail servers. While I can not speak for others I do know this not to be true for my server. It probably comes down to correctly configured SPF and DKIM records, making sure your server does not act as an open relay so as to avoid getting t blacklisted somewhere and using a smarthost (i.e. an authenticated SMTP relay) to send mail. The latter is especially important if your network segment happens to be listed on some DNS blacklist somewhere. Self-hosting has the added advantage of offering "unlimited" storage space, as many addresses using whatever creative schemes you want - I give specific addresses to all commercial/government/organisational institutions I communicate with which allows me to spot who abuses or leaks addresses and makes it possible to block those and only those addresses. SMTP and IMAP have their warts but they remain among the few well-specified open protocols which enable communication with anyone who can follow the standards. Any "successor" to these better be just as open, well-specified and preferably backwards-compatible with SMTP or it probably won't fly.
  - hbn 3y ago
    I think you'd be more likely to get a gentle ribbing from your friends in real life than here on HN where there's a general distaste for the web past 2010 anyway
  - toastal 3y ago
    A few years back I was told I almost wasn't considered for an interview because I was, at the time, using a Yahoo email address.
    - tokai 3y ago
      Wouldn't that be illegal? Like discriminating a candidate because them having an address in a (perceived) bad neighborhood.
      - dghlsakjg 3y ago
        In the US? no. Not unless you can tie the use of an email provider to a protected characteristic (race, gender, etc.)
  - ambicapter 3y ago
    I would still use hotmail for old-timers cred, but now it's just outlook, sadly.
  - cout 3y ago
    Don't forget juno! (though that one at least I legitimately chide people for using, because I have family members whose devices got infected because juno failed to filter out malicious emails appearing to come from personal contacts).
- nashashmi 3y ago
  It is terribly insecure. Leaked passwords. Random account access. Backdoor access for govt. I still use yahoo.
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    I think that was a long time ago. Now they have MFA and haven't had any public security incidents.
    - nashashmi 3y ago
      They also supposedly hash out their passwords now. So the leaked passwords are less of a problem. (I use a completely unique immemorable password.) They also have device key sign in. But somewhere someplace, I cannot trust them on security anymore. I know of a few vulnerabilities that I cannot explain. And so my emails will remain for insecure purposes.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  >Honest question: why would you expect hate for using Yahoo mail? Because every time I read about yahoo on HN it seems to be only negative opinions and in general people look funny at you when they see you with an yahoo email address instead of a Gmail one which has become the norm for average joe consumers. I mean I know they're not a sexy company anymore and they didn't have a competent CEO but their e-mail offering still slaps IMO. I use it mostly for non-critical activates like signing up to websites and online shopping.
  - klibertp 3y ago
    > in general people look funny at you when they see you with an yahoo email address instead of a Gmail That's the only problem I have after migrating to Fastmail: it takes serious effort to make people over the phone understand that I have an email in a different domain. I can spell it letter by letter, but people often still can't figure just where this funny thing I'm dictating should be put. There's a problem with @ sign, too - somehow, people tend to forget it exists. Well, it exists to separate user from domain, and since they don't know the domain part exists, they don't need to know about the separator I guess. TLDR: if not on GMail, you need to make a habit of sending the address in an SMS, forgo all hopes of giving it to someone over the phone.
nashashmi 3y ago
I agree that the Yahoo interface is pleasant. And you can integrate Gmail access into it.
cout 3y ago
I started using gmail so I wouldn't have to worry about properly configuring spamassassin any more. I'm sure there are other services that the spam problem as well as gmail, but as long as the friction of using gmail remains lowish, I will continue using it, because of the time it would take me to decide on and switch to an alternative.

CoastalCoder 3y ago

Honest question: why would you expect hate for using Yahoo mail?

jorts 3y ago
A lot of people like to give you a hard time for using an “old” email address like yahoo, hotmail, or aol.
- bbarn 3y ago
  I'm more likely to give someone a hard time for using email at all. I find it increasingly less useful every year. Currently it's a massive storage of confirmation emails and receipts for me.
  - goldcd 3y ago
    But if you look at it as a "unified notification framework with powerful management tools and wide API access" - it's a market-conquering monster.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    Email is just as useable as it was years ago as long as you run your own server. The oft-mentioned spam problem has been dealt with, I hardly ever see any of it - as in maybe a few items per year - and certainly get less spam on my self-hosted addresses than I see on the Gmail-address I keep around for testing whether Gmail accepts mail from my server. This is another ruse often thrown by those who don't believe in self-hosting services, insisting that Google and Microsoft simply refuse to interoperate with self-hosted mail servers. While I can not speak for others I do know this not to be true for my server. It probably comes down to correctly configured SPF and DKIM records, making sure your server does not act as an open relay so as to avoid getting t blacklisted somewhere and using a smarthost (i.e. an authenticated SMTP relay) to send mail. The latter is especially important if your network segment happens to be listed on some DNS blacklist somewhere. Self-hosting has the added advantage of offering "unlimited" storage space, as many addresses using whatever creative schemes you want - I give specific addresses to all commercial/government/organisational institutions I communicate with which allows me to spot who abuses or leaks addresses and makes it possible to block those and only those addresses. SMTP and IMAP have their warts but they remain among the few well-specified open protocols which enable communication with anyone who can follow the standards. Any "successor" to these better be just as open, well-specified and preferably backwards-compatible with SMTP or it probably won't fly.
- hbn 3y ago
  I think you'd be more likely to get a gentle ribbing from your friends in real life than here on HN where there's a general distaste for the web past 2010 anyway
- toastal 3y ago
  A few years back I was told I almost wasn't considered for an interview because I was, at the time, using a Yahoo email address.
  - tokai 3y ago
    Wouldn't that be illegal? Like discriminating a candidate because them having an address in a (perceived) bad neighborhood.
    - dghlsakjg 3y ago
      In the US? no. Not unless you can tie the use of an email provider to a protected characteristic (race, gender, etc.)
- ambicapter 3y ago
  I would still use hotmail for old-timers cred, but now it's just outlook, sadly.
- cout 3y ago
  Don't forget juno! (though that one at least I legitimately chide people for using, because I have family members whose devices got infected because juno failed to filter out malicious emails appearing to come from personal contacts).
nashashmi 3y ago
It is terribly insecure. Leaked passwords. Random account access. Backdoor access for govt. I still use yahoo.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  I think that was a long time ago. Now they have MFA and haven't had any public security incidents.
  - nashashmi 3y ago
    They also supposedly hash out their passwords now. So the leaked passwords are less of a problem. (I use a completely unique immemorable password.) They also have device key sign in. But somewhere someplace, I cannot trust them on security anymore. I know of a few vulnerabilities that I cannot explain. And so my emails will remain for insecure purposes.
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
>Honest question: why would you expect hate for using Yahoo mail? Because every time I read about yahoo on HN it seems to be only negative opinions and in general people look funny at you when they see you with an yahoo email address instead of a Gmail one which has become the norm for average joe consumers. I mean I know they're not a sexy company anymore and they didn't have a competent CEO but their e-mail offering still slaps IMO. I use it mostly for non-critical activates like signing up to websites and online shopping.
- klibertp 3y ago
  > in general people look funny at you when they see you with an yahoo email address instead of a Gmail That's the only problem I have after migrating to Fastmail: it takes serious effort to make people over the phone understand that I have an email in a different domain. I can spell it letter by letter, but people often still can't figure just where this funny thing I'm dictating should be put. There's a problem with @ sign, too - somehow, people tend to forget it exists. Well, it exists to separate user from domain, and since they don't know the domain part exists, they don't need to know about the separator I guess. TLDR: if not on GMail, you need to make a habit of sending the address in an SMS, forgo all hopes of giving it to someone over the phone.

nashashmi 3y ago

I agree that the Yahoo interface is pleasant. And you can integrate Gmail access into it.

cout 3y ago

I started using gmail so I wouldn't have to worry about properly configuring spamassassin any more. I'm sure there are other services that the spam problem as well as gmail, but as long as the friction of using gmail remains lowish, I will continue using it, because of the time it would take me to decide on and switch to an alternative.