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> If they generate verbatim copies of any non-trivial-enough part that would be the subject of a copyright license, yes, it would be copyright infringement. Yet

by orlp 3y ago

> If they generate verbatim copies of any non-trivial-enough part that would be the subject of a copyright license, yes, it would be copyright infringement. Yet, could anyone give such practical examples? Yes, there are many such examples. https://twitter.com/docsparse/status/1581461734665367554 https://twitter.com/docsparse/status/1581461734665367554 https://twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194309 https://twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194309 https://codeium.com/blog/copilot-trains-on-gpl-codeium-does-not https://codeium.com/blog/copilot-trains-on-gpl-codeium-does-...

psychphysic 3y ago
To be fair that is not verbatim. It is mutatis mutandis the same but is that a problem? I'm sure many would say so, I'm not convinced. Ultimately if his code is out there a Google search could bring up a snippet without the license visible and I might copy paste that. The crux is the same code might be presented without context. Copilot is just a tool and the personal responsible for it's safe usage is the human behind it. In my world view, if I copy a picture off Google image search ultimately I am morally the one who infringed copyright not Google.
- johnisgood 3y ago
  > In my world view, if I copy a picture off Google image search ultimately I am morally the one who infringed copyright not Google. I have an idea why, but... why exactly? What about a web scraper (that I made, similarly to that of Google) that downloads images? What if it is randomly downloading images and not intentionally a specific one?
scotty79 3y ago
What so special about the code here: https://twitter.com/docsparse/status/1581461734665367554 https://twitter.com/docsparse/status/1581461734665367554 It implements common operation in a standard way as far as I can tell. AI re-implementation is not identical. It seems more like multiple discovery than plagiarism let alone re-producing a copy without a license.
arp242 3y ago
> there are many such examples. It's always the same two examples, and I would not classify that as "many", especially since that fast inverse square root function has been shown to be on GitHub and other sites countless of times with all sorts of different licences (which is wrong, but copilot doesn't seem to do better or worse than humans in this regard). That codeium.com is just asking leading questions, or the AI equivalent of that.

by orlp 3y ago

psychphysic 3y ago

To be fair that is not verbatim. It is mutatis mutandis the same but is that a problem? I'm sure many would say so, I'm not convinced. Ultimately if his code is out there a Google search could bring up a snippet without the license visible and I might copy paste that. The crux is the same code might be presented without context. Copilot is just a tool and the personal responsible for it's safe usage is the human behind it. In my world view, if I copy a picture off Google image search ultimately I am morally the one who infringed copyright not Google.

johnisgood 3y ago
> In my world view, if I copy a picture off Google image search ultimately I am morally the one who infringed copyright not Google. I have an idea why, but... why exactly? What about a web scraper (that I made, similarly to that of Google) that downloads images? What if it is randomly downloading images and not intentionally a specific one?

scotty79 3y ago

What so special about the code here: https://twitter.com/docsparse/status/1581461734665367554 https://twitter.com/docsparse/status/1581461734665367554 It implements common operation in a standard way as far as I can tell. AI re-implementation is not identical. It seems more like multiple discovery than plagiarism let alone re-producing a copy without a license.

arp242 3y ago

> there are many such examples. It's always the same two examples, and I would not classify that as "many", especially since that fast inverse square root function has been shown to be on GitHub and other sites countless of times with all sorts of different licences (which is wrong, but copilot doesn't seem to do better or worse than humans in this regard). That codeium.com is just asking leading questions, or the AI equivalent of that.