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I liked my Samsung phones but after the a couple of them went end of life despite being very usable I am never buying one of their devices again and sticking wi

by zeagle 3y ago

I liked my Samsung phones but after the a couple of them went end of life despite being very usable I am never buying one of their devices again and sticking with Pixel. There should be an Android code of ethics or regulation to unlock bootloaders of these devices when discontinued to minimize eWaste.

KennyBlanken 3y ago
Why on earth would Google institute a policy that runs completely contrary to the cell phone industry's business model, making their devices as useless as possible as fast as possible? It always cracked me up that Apple gets bashed for planned obsolescence when they support their phones longer than anyone else in the industry.
- zeagle 3y ago
  I agree that they aren't exactly good citizens in the corporate sense, I'm all for regulation to step in if companies won't voluntarily do it. To your point Google does unlock their bootloaders so they seem OK with it for their devices? There is some planned obsolescence in incremental improvement of technology but that that is probably too slow for them (e.g. my S10/S11 lacked LTE, 5g, eSim...).
  - Sunspark 3y ago
    It had LTE. If you were without, it was the carrier.
    - zeagle 3y ago
      Thanks for correcting that. I don't have the phone anymore.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  Apple will never unlock your bootloader though?
- _heimdall 3y ago
  Apple got caught artificially degrading performance and battery life after a period of time. That really isn't "planned obsolescence" so much as irt is "planned crippling" Planning for a device's software to be unsupported after a certain period of time, ideally a predefined time made clear up front, is totally reasonable though. Thatjust gets to the question of whether you own a functional phone or a block of hardware that is useful only as long as the company wants it to be.
  - windowsrookie 3y ago
    That is not correct. Apple got caught degrading performance because the batteries were degrading. This was when Apple was so focused on thinness that they used very small batteries. After a couple of years the batteries were not able to supply enough power to the SOC under full load, so Apple had to underclock the SOC to prevent the phones from crashing. *I'm not saying that was OK. Apple absolutely should have explained what they were doing instead of hiding it. But after this happened it did force them to install bigger batteries in the newer iPhones.
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      Did apple ever actually release details on specifically what they were seeing and how underclocking "fixed" it? Lithium cells can have increased voltage sag, but they should have well over 1000 cycles before any noticeable decrease in capacity of voltage potential. Even then the total capacity might drop on the order of 5-15% and the voltage say shouldn't be impacted.
- rchaud 3y ago
  Apple gets bashed for using hard-to-repair designs and creating unnecessary e-waste and rightly so.

by zeagle 3y ago

KennyBlanken 3y ago

Why on earth would Google institute a policy that runs completely contrary to the cell phone industry's business model, making their devices as useless as possible as fast as possible? It always cracked me up that Apple gets bashed for planned obsolescence when they support their phones longer than anyone else in the industry.

zeagle 3y ago
I agree that they aren't exactly good citizens in the corporate sense, I'm all for regulation to step in if companies won't voluntarily do it. To your point Google does unlock their bootloaders so they seem OK with it for their devices? There is some planned obsolescence in incremental improvement of technology but that that is probably too slow for them (e.g. my S10/S11 lacked LTE, 5g, eSim...).
- Sunspark 3y ago
  It had LTE. If you were without, it was the carrier.
  - zeagle 3y ago
    Thanks for correcting that. I don't have the phone anymore.
saagarjha 3y ago
Apple will never unlock your bootloader though?
_heimdall 3y ago
Apple got caught artificially degrading performance and battery life after a period of time. That really isn't "planned obsolescence" so much as irt is "planned crippling" Planning for a device's software to be unsupported after a certain period of time, ideally a predefined time made clear up front, is totally reasonable though. Thatjust gets to the question of whether you own a functional phone or a block of hardware that is useful only as long as the company wants it to be.
- windowsrookie 3y ago
  That is not correct. Apple got caught degrading performance because the batteries were degrading. This was when Apple was so focused on thinness that they used very small batteries. After a couple of years the batteries were not able to supply enough power to the SOC under full load, so Apple had to underclock the SOC to prevent the phones from crashing. *I'm not saying that was OK. Apple absolutely should have explained what they were doing instead of hiding it. But after this happened it did force them to install bigger batteries in the newer iPhones.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    Did apple ever actually release details on specifically what they were seeing and how underclocking "fixed" it? Lithium cells can have increased voltage sag, but they should have well over 1000 cycles before any noticeable decrease in capacity of voltage potential. Even then the total capacity might drop on the order of 5-15% and the voltage say shouldn't be impacted.
rchaud 3y ago
Apple gets bashed for using hard-to-repair designs and creating unnecessary e-waste and rightly so.