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I don't remember EU doing anything in Russia that was conductive to democracy, human rights, respect for other nations, etc. The only positive influence I can t

I don't remember EU doing anything in Russia that was conductive to democracy, human rights, respect for other nations, etc. The only positive influence I can think of, is European Court for Human Rights. But especially, EU didn't do anything when Putin decided to stay in power after 2008, they did not have much cultural integration with Russia, so it seems they expected to sit on the bank and expect democracy in Russia float past. With regards to "respect for other nations", Russians know how Russian minority is treated in Baltic states and that Russian speakers are treated like 3rd class citizens in Ukraine (even before 2014). Russia treated other nations way better than those other nations treated Russians when on their own turf. I believe you are confusing Putin with e.g. Orban because Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn't dent that.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn’t dent that. Israel has been only mildly helping Ukraine in part to buy Russian acquiescence to Israeli attacks on Iranian targets in Syria, where Russia has a substantial presence (though over time getting less, as material and personnel have been shifted to Ukraine.) Putin isn’t Israel’s BFF despite Israel’s mild support for Ukraine; the Russian presence in Syria is a constraint on Israeli policy that results in it only mildly supporting Ukraine.
simion314 3y ago
I am talking about Ruzzians === the Z patriots. They are so brainwashed that they actually believe the LGBTQ and Israel and other evil gangs are up to pervert Russia. The Z-eds are also proud of Putin's crimes and the dictatorship, they even try to explain why democracy is bad. This failled empire needs to fail from inside like URSS did and the other communist countries, and time needs to pass so tne non brainwashed generations can grow. I am not sure what you want from EU, we are not USA to democratize them with force. The western EU thought that with economy they can prevent idiotic wars, this work for EU, we no longer have wars here and the population is very anti -war. Not sure what happens in Baltic states but please don't fucking tell me Ruzzian propaganda on how well URSS or Russia is treating minorities, the fucking bastards of Putin and his gang are not respecting nationalities living in their own independent countries. I know that Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia so pushing propaganda on how bad Ukraine is just pushes Russia even lower. So for Romanians Russians or FSB trolls should not waste their time, maybe you can fool some westerner with how well you love minorities. TLDR easter europe knows Russia well, Putin played EU and Germany but he made a bet and his dice did not favored him, but he will push this stupid SMO to the his death.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  * Expecting a non-brainwashed, sane generation to take steer * Also expecting them to lose a war voluntarily, agree to trillion of reparations and divide their country to dozens of strifing principalities. Russian opposition is very self discredited. Compared to them, any version of patriot is super sane and non brainwashed.
  - simion314 3y ago
    Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      When push comes to shove, Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians much sooner than that is true for Russia. This is an unfortunate turn of events, but if you say "we're ruin your military wise and invade you by force", molon labe. This has absolutely nothing in common with wanting the USSR back. Russians do contempt modern Ukraine and Baltic states, but they are not universally fans of USSR. Some are, but they're being overly romantic. Eastern Europeans are pathetic people who only saw like 10% of hardships of Communism and came out whining like they saw 500% of those. Now you have a different good lord to whom you sing praise like you did to Soviet communists just 35 years back. Don't consider yourself to be like Russians because we are not the same.
      - simion314 3y ago
        How are you so sure you understand how much eastern european suffered? I am sure your Russian history has a giant bias and omits all the shit URSS stole, all the crimes they did in eastern Europe. We are not the same, I wrongly thought that we might be more similar since we shared some trauma, but as i said I was wrong. I need to re-evaluate all the Russians I know online and try to figure-out if they in fact are imperialists/fascists that think God chose their nation to rule Eastern Europe or if they are the smarter/human Russians.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn’t dent that. Israel has been only mildly helping Ukraine in part to buy Russian acquiescence to Israeli attacks on Iranian targets in Syria, where Russia has a substantial presence (though over time getting less, as material and personnel have been shifted to Ukraine.) Putin isn’t Israel’s BFF despite Israel’s mild support for Ukraine; the Russian presence in Syria is a constraint on Israeli policy that results in it only mildly supporting Ukraine.

simion314 3y ago

I am talking about Ruzzians === the Z patriots. They are so brainwashed that they actually believe the LGBTQ and Israel and other evil gangs are up to pervert Russia. The Z-eds are also proud of Putin's crimes and the dictatorship, they even try to explain why democracy is bad. This failled empire needs to fail from inside like URSS did and the other communist countries, and time needs to pass so tne non brainwashed generations can grow. I am not sure what you want from EU, we are not USA to democratize them with force. The western EU thought that with economy they can prevent idiotic wars, this work for EU, we no longer have wars here and the population is very anti -war. Not sure what happens in Baltic states but please don't fucking tell me Ruzzian propaganda on how well URSS or Russia is treating minorities, the fucking bastards of Putin and his gang are not respecting nationalities living in their own independent countries. I know that Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia so pushing propaganda on how bad Ukraine is just pushes Russia even lower. So for Romanians Russians or FSB trolls should not waste their time, maybe you can fool some westerner with how well you love minorities. TLDR easter europe knows Russia well, Putin played EU and Germany but he made a bet and his dice did not favored him, but he will push this stupid SMO to the his death.

thriftwy 3y ago
* Expecting a non-brainwashed, sane generation to take steer * Also expecting them to lose a war voluntarily, agree to trillion of reparations and divide their country to dozens of strifing principalities. Russian opposition is very self discredited. Compared to them, any version of patriot is super sane and non brainwashed.
- simion314 3y ago
  Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    When push comes to shove, Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians much sooner than that is true for Russia. This is an unfortunate turn of events, but if you say "we're ruin your military wise and invade you by force", molon labe. This has absolutely nothing in common with wanting the USSR back. Russians do contempt modern Ukraine and Baltic states, but they are not universally fans of USSR. Some are, but they're being overly romantic. Eastern Europeans are pathetic people who only saw like 10% of hardships of Communism and came out whining like they saw 500% of those. Now you have a different good lord to whom you sing praise like you did to Soviet communists just 35 years back. Don't consider yourself to be like Russians because we are not the same.
    - simion314 3y ago
      How are you so sure you understand how much eastern european suffered? I am sure your Russian history has a giant bias and omits all the shit URSS stole, all the crimes they did in eastern Europe. We are not the same, I wrongly thought that we might be more similar since we shared some trauma, but as i said I was wrong. I need to re-evaluate all the Russians I know online and try to figure-out if they in fact are imperialists/fascists that think God chose their nation to rule Eastern Europe or if they are the smarter/human Russians.