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Nah, they dream they could bring Russia to the modern age, democracy, human rights, respect for other nations , collaborations . Nobody in EU wants to steal Rus

Nah, they dream they could bring Russia to the modern age, democracy, human rights, respect for other nations , collaborations . Nobody in EU wants to steal Russians resources, too bad the Russian oligarchs are doing it. there is a Romanian saying about Romania but it applies to Russia too, "poor rich country" not sure if it translates well... the country is rich but the people are poor and suffering because of the small number of parasites. My theory is that when you have same persona ndparty in power for decades then they can't hide their incompetence and failures on a party from opposition and they start inventing bad guys somehere outside (like UK invented the EU bad guy and ended up with Brexit( so Putin invented a big conspiracy about the west, LGBTQ , Israel and blame all his failures on them. Now he is gone old and senile and he believed his propaganda.

thriftwy 3y ago
I don't remember EU doing anything in Russia that was conductive to democracy, human rights, respect for other nations, etc. The only positive influence I can think of, is European Court for Human Rights. But especially, EU didn't do anything when Putin decided to stay in power after 2008, they did not have much cultural integration with Russia, so it seems they expected to sit on the bank and expect democracy in Russia float past. With regards to "respect for other nations", Russians know how Russian minority is treated in Baltic states and that Russian speakers are treated like 3rd class citizens in Ukraine (even before 2014). Russia treated other nations way better than those other nations treated Russians when on their own turf. I believe you are confusing Putin with e.g. Orban because Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn't dent that.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn’t dent that. Israel has been only mildly helping Ukraine in part to buy Russian acquiescence to Israeli attacks on Iranian targets in Syria, where Russia has a substantial presence (though over time getting less, as material and personnel have been shifted to Ukraine.) Putin isn’t Israel’s BFF despite Israel’s mild support for Ukraine; the Russian presence in Syria is a constraint on Israeli policy that results in it only mildly supporting Ukraine.
- simion314 3y ago
  I am talking about Ruzzians === the Z patriots. They are so brainwashed that they actually believe the LGBTQ and Israel and other evil gangs are up to pervert Russia. The Z-eds are also proud of Putin's crimes and the dictatorship, they even try to explain why democracy is bad. This failled empire needs to fail from inside like URSS did and the other communist countries, and time needs to pass so tne non brainwashed generations can grow. I am not sure what you want from EU, we are not USA to democratize them with force. The western EU thought that with economy they can prevent idiotic wars, this work for EU, we no longer have wars here and the population is very anti -war. Not sure what happens in Baltic states but please don't fucking tell me Ruzzian propaganda on how well URSS or Russia is treating minorities, the fucking bastards of Putin and his gang are not respecting nationalities living in their own independent countries. I know that Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia so pushing propaganda on how bad Ukraine is just pushes Russia even lower. So for Romanians Russians or FSB trolls should not waste their time, maybe you can fool some westerner with how well you love minorities. TLDR easter europe knows Russia well, Putin played EU and Germany but he made a bet and his dice did not favored him, but he will push this stupid SMO to the his death.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    * Expecting a non-brainwashed, sane generation to take steer * Also expecting them to lose a war voluntarily, agree to trillion of reparations and divide their country to dozens of strifing principalities. Russian opposition is very self discredited. Compared to them, any version of patriot is super sane and non brainwashed.
    - simion314 3y ago
      Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)
      - 3y ago

thriftwy 3y ago

I don't remember EU doing anything in Russia that was conductive to democracy, human rights, respect for other nations, etc. The only positive influence I can think of, is European Court for Human Rights. But especially, EU didn't do anything when Putin decided to stay in power after 2008, they did not have much cultural integration with Russia, so it seems they expected to sit on the bank and expect democracy in Russia float past. With regards to "respect for other nations", Russians know how Russian minority is treated in Baltic states and that Russian speakers are treated like 3rd class citizens in Ukraine (even before 2014). Russia treated other nations way better than those other nations treated Russians when on their own turf. I believe you are confusing Putin with e.g. Orban because Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn't dent that.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn’t dent that. Israel has been only mildly helping Ukraine in part to buy Russian acquiescence to Israeli attacks on Iranian targets in Syria, where Russia has a substantial presence (though over time getting less, as material and personnel have been shifted to Ukraine.) Putin isn’t Israel’s BFF despite Israel’s mild support for Ukraine; the Russian presence in Syria is a constraint on Israeli policy that results in it only mildly supporting Ukraine.
simion314 3y ago
I am talking about Ruzzians === the Z patriots. They are so brainwashed that they actually believe the LGBTQ and Israel and other evil gangs are up to pervert Russia. The Z-eds are also proud of Putin's crimes and the dictatorship, they even try to explain why democracy is bad. This failled empire needs to fail from inside like URSS did and the other communist countries, and time needs to pass so tne non brainwashed generations can grow. I am not sure what you want from EU, we are not USA to democratize them with force. The western EU thought that with economy they can prevent idiotic wars, this work for EU, we no longer have wars here and the population is very anti -war. Not sure what happens in Baltic states but please don't fucking tell me Ruzzian propaganda on how well URSS or Russia is treating minorities, the fucking bastards of Putin and his gang are not respecting nationalities living in their own independent countries. I know that Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia so pushing propaganda on how bad Ukraine is just pushes Russia even lower. So for Romanians Russians or FSB trolls should not waste their time, maybe you can fool some westerner with how well you love minorities. TLDR easter europe knows Russia well, Putin played EU and Germany but he made a bet and his dice did not favored him, but he will push this stupid SMO to the his death.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  * Expecting a non-brainwashed, sane generation to take steer * Also expecting them to lose a war voluntarily, agree to trillion of reparations and divide their country to dozens of strifing principalities. Russian opposition is very self discredited. Compared to them, any version of patriot is super sane and non brainwashed.
  - simion314 3y ago
    Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)
    - 3y ago