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He can shout about it all he wants - you can’t put the genie back in the bottle. It’s getting a bit tiring hearing millionaires and billionaires tell us how muc

He can shout about it all he wants - you can’t put the genie back in the bottle. It’s getting a bit tiring hearing millionaires and billionaires tell us how much more effective we can be at making them more millions and billions, when we just want an extra hour with our family or to save a couple hundred bucks a month that would be wasted on a commute. They can’t afford to give us pay rises to keep up with inflation either, but we’ve got a world-changing mission and the stock will be worth something to someone someday.

ghaff 4y ago
To the degree people have the flexibility to (and many, including professionals like doctors don't), it's probably most productive at the end of the day for people to align with companies that share their preferences (and even collaboration/in-person needs).
eterevsky 4y ago
I really don't think OpenAI employees receive inadequate compensation. I think there could be a healthy balance between companies with 100% office time, hybrid and remote. There is a trade off that might work out differently for different companies.
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- sgammon 3y ago
  he says he's speaking for the entirety of tech and business here though, not openai
ryandvm 4y ago
Indeed. These companies reaped record profits during the most locked down period of the last 100 years and now we have to hear them piss and moan because they're afraid the proles are spending too much time in the bathroom while they're on the clock? Yeah, fuck that noise. I will tell you this much, if there's anybody whose job could go to the AIs, it's the fucking CEOs.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > I will tell you this much, if there's anybody whose job could go to the AIs, it's the fucking CEOs. Don't give them any ideas, it would be equally horrible to work under a ChatGPT CEO as any other out of touch CEO.
  - hyperdimension 4y ago
    "As a large language model, I take full responsibility in making this difficult decision to layoff..."
  - gremlinsinc 4y ago
    not even close. I'm trying to build a startup and chatGPT is basically my CEO and CMO, frees me up to be the CTO/engineer, although I do have to be his mouth piece. he actually listens to suggestions and since I'm founder, I can replace him with another ai, like Claude from anthropic lol. plus he doesn't take 10k more money than he's worth. just 20 bucks per month.
    - flashgordon 4y ago
      You mean 10x not 10k? 10k more is sweeter deal compared to 10x!
    - capableweb 4y ago
      Since you're the one that is controlling ChatGPT, it sounds more like a executive assistant than actual CEO. If you want a really fun experiment, make ChatGPT have more power and control over the company than you, and we'll see how you like the experience :)
      - petemir 3y ago
        "The Dice Man" for the modern times
    - than3 4y ago
      This line of thinking is what will ultimately end us as a species. There are a number of systems that must run in a loop. When that loop stalls, because labor is part of that loop, and illiquidity occurs, and people can't get food. You get a deflationary spiral, and everything breaks down from there. The only offset would be printing a massive amount of money, but then you have rational pricing (that cost vs the product) go out the window. Rational pricing is required to properly allocate resources in a scarce world. Its a very fine balance keeping enough liquidity in the economy so this doesn't happen, and we've all see how well that's turned out. This leads to the economic calculation problem where the policy maker has to balance on a knifes edge using lagging indicators (without futuresight), where you either get hyper-inflationary currency death spiral, or you get a deflationary death spiral from the ever closer margins over time. This has been a known problem for over 100 years, with no solution found. Several non-market socialist economies based on this have failed in that time, each time caused death on a large scale, what do you think will happen when its the reserve currency of the world and you do this?
oofta-boofta 4y ago
Yeah I'm sure Altamn can't see the problem with commuting. He only has a luxury condo in Russian Hill that he gets picked up from in a chauffeured SUV, and is then driven to OpenAI's headquarters in the Mission. All of 20 minutes...in traffic. I fucking hate tech billionaires.
oxfordmale 4y ago
It is tiring to hear this from senior people who have their own office.
flashgordon 4y ago
So in all curiousness - why is "somebody else"'s world changing mission such a big deal especially when it demands sacrificing ones family/health/stability etc? (let us not even talk about layoffs). This idea that I cannot be professional (and do my job) unless I buy the koolaid feels very orwellian!
thefz 4y ago
> It’s getting a bit tiring hearing millionaires and billionaires tell us how much more effective we can be at making them more millions and billions, when we just want an extra hour with our family or to save a couple hundred bucks a month that would be wasted on a commute Yeah. In other news, person not living a normal life on earth, does not understand a normal life on earth.
EvgeniyZh 3y ago
I guess some companies do not have problem of hiring even if it's not perfect conditions for you personally

ghaff 4y ago

To the degree people have the flexibility to (and many, including professionals like doctors don't), it's probably most productive at the end of the day for people to align with companies that share their preferences (and even collaboration/in-person needs).

eterevsky 4y ago

I really don't think OpenAI employees receive inadequate compensation. I think there could be a healthy balance between companies with 100% office time, hybrid and remote. There is a trade off that might work out differently for different companies.

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sgammon 3y ago
he says he's speaking for the entirety of tech and business here though, not openai

ryandvm 4y ago

Indeed. These companies reaped record profits during the most locked down period of the last 100 years and now we have to hear them piss and moan because they're afraid the proles are spending too much time in the bathroom while they're on the clock? Yeah, fuck that noise. I will tell you this much, if there's anybody whose job could go to the AIs, it's the fucking CEOs.

capableweb 4y ago
> I will tell you this much, if there's anybody whose job could go to the AIs, it's the fucking CEOs. Don't give them any ideas, it would be equally horrible to work under a ChatGPT CEO as any other out of touch CEO.
- hyperdimension 4y ago
  "As a large language model, I take full responsibility in making this difficult decision to layoff..."
- gremlinsinc 4y ago
  not even close. I'm trying to build a startup and chatGPT is basically my CEO and CMO, frees me up to be the CTO/engineer, although I do have to be his mouth piece. he actually listens to suggestions and since I'm founder, I can replace him with another ai, like Claude from anthropic lol. plus he doesn't take 10k more money than he's worth. just 20 bucks per month.
  - flashgordon 4y ago
    You mean 10x not 10k? 10k more is sweeter deal compared to 10x!
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Since you're the one that is controlling ChatGPT, it sounds more like a executive assistant than actual CEO. If you want a really fun experiment, make ChatGPT have more power and control over the company than you, and we'll see how you like the experience :)
    - petemir 3y ago
      "The Dice Man" for the modern times
  - than3 4y ago
    This line of thinking is what will ultimately end us as a species. There are a number of systems that must run in a loop. When that loop stalls, because labor is part of that loop, and illiquidity occurs, and people can't get food. You get a deflationary spiral, and everything breaks down from there. The only offset would be printing a massive amount of money, but then you have rational pricing (that cost vs the product) go out the window. Rational pricing is required to properly allocate resources in a scarce world. Its a very fine balance keeping enough liquidity in the economy so this doesn't happen, and we've all see how well that's turned out. This leads to the economic calculation problem where the policy maker has to balance on a knifes edge using lagging indicators (without futuresight), where you either get hyper-inflationary currency death spiral, or you get a deflationary death spiral from the ever closer margins over time. This has been a known problem for over 100 years, with no solution found. Several non-market socialist economies based on this have failed in that time, each time caused death on a large scale, what do you think will happen when its the reserve currency of the world and you do this?

oofta-boofta 4y ago

Yeah I'm sure Altamn can't see the problem with commuting. He only has a luxury condo in Russian Hill that he gets picked up from in a chauffeured SUV, and is then driven to OpenAI's headquarters in the Mission. All of 20 minutes...in traffic. I fucking hate tech billionaires.

oxfordmale 4y ago

It is tiring to hear this from senior people who have their own office.

flashgordon 4y ago

So in all curiousness - why is "somebody else"'s world changing mission such a big deal especially when it demands sacrificing ones family/health/stability etc? (let us not even talk about layoffs). This idea that I cannot be professional (and do my job) unless I buy the koolaid feels very orwellian!

thefz 4y ago

> It’s getting a bit tiring hearing millionaires and billionaires tell us how much more effective we can be at making them more millions and billions, when we just want an extra hour with our family or to save a couple hundred bucks a month that would be wasted on a commute Yeah. In other news, person not living a normal life on earth, does not understand a normal life on earth.

EvgeniyZh 3y ago

I guess some companies do not have problem of hiring even if it's not perfect conditions for you personally