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_They will burn them all_ Seriously, I do not doubt the performance (I hope they do not melt their cpus and motherboards this time), but energy efficiency, whi

_They will burn them all_ Seriously, I do not doubt the performance (I hope they do not melt their cpus and motherboards this time), but energy efficiency, which is important in laptops? I will believe it when I see it (by in depth reviews, not by what benchmarks companies release), considering the desktop ryzen 7000s got to a completely different direction. Intel had made some ridiculous energy efficiency claims in their last generation that were totally out of reality in practice.

wtallis 3y ago
The desktop Ryzen 7000 parts are still saddled with power-hungry die-to-die interconnects and an IO die that's built on an older fab process (though not quite as old as previous Ryzen IO dies), so the idle power is horrible. And the parts without the 3D stacked L3 cache will happily crank up the voltage to crazy levels in order to get the last few percent of clock speed. But if you cap their power/voltage/frequency to reasonable levels and look at the power consumed by just the CPU cores, it's clear that AMD has a very promising building block to use for their monolithic mobile processors. But I agree that AMD's marketing claims as filtered through low-quality journalism that doesn't even distinguish between peak and base power consumption is a poor way to judge whether AMD has succeeded in building a great low-power processor.
- freehorse 3y ago
  Well I do not take any claims of any company seriously before I see actual reviews anyway, they usually just cherry pick what they want, so I do not specifically blame AMD for that. And yeah I agree, we run our new AMD desktops in eco mode at work, it was ridiculous to routinely get like 95C temperatures for whatever random chores. Once we used to overclock AMD cpus, nowadays we underclock them lol. I have not really checked how many watts it draws after we put them in eco mode though, I will do it next time.
- AshamedCaptain 3y ago
  And notebookcheck reports the idle power on the new gen of laptop chips is actually worse than on the previous gen.

wtallis 3y ago

The desktop Ryzen 7000 parts are still saddled with power-hungry die-to-die interconnects and an IO die that's built on an older fab process (though not quite as old as previous Ryzen IO dies), so the idle power is horrible. And the parts without the 3D stacked L3 cache will happily crank up the voltage to crazy levels in order to get the last few percent of clock speed. But if you cap their power/voltage/frequency to reasonable levels and look at the power consumed by just the CPU cores, it's clear that AMD has a very promising building block to use for their monolithic mobile processors. But I agree that AMD's marketing claims as filtered through low-quality journalism that doesn't even distinguish between peak and base power consumption is a poor way to judge whether AMD has succeeded in building a great low-power processor.

freehorse 3y ago
Well I do not take any claims of any company seriously before I see actual reviews anyway, they usually just cherry pick what they want, so I do not specifically blame AMD for that. And yeah I agree, we run our new AMD desktops in eco mode at work, it was ridiculous to routinely get like 95C temperatures for whatever random chores. Once we used to overclock AMD cpus, nowadays we underclock them lol. I have not really checked how many watts it draws after we put them in eco mode though, I will do it next time.
AshamedCaptain 3y ago
And notebookcheck reports the idle power on the new gen of laptop chips is actually worse than on the previous gen.