3 ms·

I don’t know if you know this but the vaccine is not a measured amount of bound spike protein at all. It’s mRNA that gets transcribed over and over - each mRNA

by 6nf 3y ago

I don’t know if you know this but the vaccine is not a measured amount of bound spike protein at all. It’s mRNA that gets transcribed over and over - each mRNA molecule creates many spikes. Exactly how many depends on many factors in your body. When I’m at a PC again I will link you to some studies showing cases where it exceeds the amount you’d expect in a natural infection and there’s documented cases where it continues weeks after injection unlike the virus which doesn’t last that long in healthy young people.

tehjoker 3y ago
That's fair, but it's a fixed amount of RNA and RNA degrades. The virus can continually create new RNA. COVID has been shown to persist in a fraction of patients, so it will continue for months or years. I don't see how these situations are comparable. Again, the vaccine spike is edited to be bound in the pre-fusion conformation whereas the natural spike is flexible and can bind to ACE2 and expose additional internal inflammatory sites. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behind-COVID-19/98/i38 https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behi... "Young, healthy people" makes enormous assumptions about a tiny slice of the population. After one or more COVID infections, they may acquire the dreaded "co-morbidities" that a huge fraction if not a majority or supermajority of the population have. Despite how we like to think we have personal control over our circumstances, in this situation, we do not. It is a collective effort and we are failing to control transmission. Vaccines are part of this, as are masking with N95 respirators, testing, air cleaning, paid sick leave, scientific isolation and quarantine periods, etc. I am hopeful that with targeted or universal air cleaning combined with partial population immunity (maintained via periodic vaccine updates) and paid leave, we can push the reproduction number below one. This is a very serious crisis that is worsening in some ways, but we are acting like the physical environment has no bearing on our lives if we think positively.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- 6nf 3y ago
  Do you feel the same about the cold and flus every year? Those kill a lot of people too.

by 6nf 3y ago

tehjoker 3y ago

That's fair, but it's a fixed amount of RNA and RNA degrades. The virus can continually create new RNA. COVID has been shown to persist in a fraction of patients, so it will continue for months or years. I don't see how these situations are comparable. Again, the vaccine spike is edited to be bound in the pre-fusion conformation whereas the natural spike is flexible and can bind to ACE2 and expose additional internal inflammatory sites. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behind-COVID-19/98/i38 https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behi... "Young, healthy people" makes enormous assumptions about a tiny slice of the population. After one or more COVID infections, they may acquire the dreaded "co-morbidities" that a huge fraction if not a majority or supermajority of the population have. Despite how we like to think we have personal control over our circumstances, in this situation, we do not. It is a collective effort and we are failing to control transmission. Vaccines are part of this, as are masking with N95 respirators, testing, air cleaning, paid sick leave, scientific isolation and quarantine periods, etc. I am hopeful that with targeted or universal air cleaning combined with partial population immunity (maintained via periodic vaccine updates) and paid leave, we can push the reproduction number below one. This is a very serious crisis that is worsening in some ways, but we are acting like the physical environment has no bearing on our lives if we think positively.

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
6nf 3y ago
Do you feel the same about the cold and flus every year? Those kill a lot of people too.