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> Besides, nothing is stopping manufacturers from including both USB-C and another charging connector. On a handheld device with limited space? Come on now.

rswail 3y ago
My iPhone has a lightning port and wireless charging. That's two. How long until wireless charging is the default? Particularly combined with the iPhone's magsafe that allows charging to occur while the device is at any orientation?
- worrycue 3y ago
  Wireless charging by definition has no physical port - if you have to plug it in, it's not wireless. No manufacturer is going to waste space that could be use for battery and further compromise water/dust proofing to add another port, for a total of 2, even if it's better than USB-C because the opportunity cost is too high.
  - bonzini 3y ago
    The better connector would start on laptops, maybe high-end tablets too, and it would take a few years anyway before it moves to phones. That's what happened with USB-C at least.
    - worrycue 3y ago
      So phones will be stuck on USB-C until the EU wills that it be changed. The EU will supposedly upgrade the mandate when a better standard comes along … but who gets to determine if the new standard is “better” enough to trigger a replacement. Some will want it replaced while some will demand that we keep the current standard. Can the EU really speak for everyone when people can have conflicting needs and wants? Ever thought what would happen if there are competing standards next round that are quite close in capability but are nonetheless significantly different - with pros and cons that are important to various people. I wonder how that’s going to play out in the EU and how ugly things could get - especially with lots of money on the line. Also who watches the watchmen? The EU is clearly not immune to corruption given recent scandals. None of these would be issues if there wasn’t a stupid mandate. People will just use what they want and what is best for their needs.
      - bonzini 3y ago
        > None of these would be issues if there wasn’t a stupid mandate. People will just use what they want and what is best for their needs. I am not sure if this other issue would be better: https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Mobile-Charger/dp/B00D1759AU/ https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Mobile-Charger/dp/B00D1759A...
- Nullabillity 3y ago
  > How long until wireless charging is the default? Particularly combined with the iPhone's magsafe that allows charging to occur while the device is at any orientation? Given how inefficient wireless charging inherently is... ideally never, by legal force if required.

rswail 3y ago

My iPhone has a lightning port and wireless charging. That's two. How long until wireless charging is the default? Particularly combined with the iPhone's magsafe that allows charging to occur while the device is at any orientation?

worrycue 3y ago
Wireless charging by definition has no physical port - if you have to plug it in, it's not wireless. No manufacturer is going to waste space that could be use for battery and further compromise water/dust proofing to add another port, for a total of 2, even if it's better than USB-C because the opportunity cost is too high.
- bonzini 3y ago
  The better connector would start on laptops, maybe high-end tablets too, and it would take a few years anyway before it moves to phones. That's what happened with USB-C at least.
  - worrycue 3y ago
    So phones will be stuck on USB-C until the EU wills that it be changed. The EU will supposedly upgrade the mandate when a better standard comes along … but who gets to determine if the new standard is “better” enough to trigger a replacement. Some will want it replaced while some will demand that we keep the current standard. Can the EU really speak for everyone when people can have conflicting needs and wants? Ever thought what would happen if there are competing standards next round that are quite close in capability but are nonetheless significantly different - with pros and cons that are important to various people. I wonder how that’s going to play out in the EU and how ugly things could get - especially with lots of money on the line. Also who watches the watchmen? The EU is clearly not immune to corruption given recent scandals. None of these would be issues if there wasn’t a stupid mandate. People will just use what they want and what is best for their needs.
    - bonzini 3y ago
      > None of these would be issues if there wasn’t a stupid mandate. People will just use what they want and what is best for their needs. I am not sure if this other issue would be better: https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Mobile-Charger/dp/B00D1759AU/ https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Mobile-Charger/dp/B00D1759A...
Nullabillity 3y ago
> How long until wireless charging is the default? Particularly combined with the iPhone's magsafe that allows charging to occur while the device is at any orientation? Given how inefficient wireless charging inherently is... ideally never, by legal force if required.