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Of course it's the regulatory bodies deciding. What do you think they're doing right now, what this article is about? There is no mechanism for "industry agreei

Of course it's the regulatory bodies deciding. What do you think they're doing right now, what this article is about? There is no mechanism for "industry agreeing" that the rule should be discarded.

viraptor 3y ago
If only there was a specific document which talks about the consolations with industry experts to ensure future developments update the requirements... (There may be a more recent version of that doc available) https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/translations/en/renditions/native https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/...
- revelio 3y ago
  In other words the regulatory bodies decide. They might, if they feel like it, ask some people who actually know something in the process of making that decision, but that doesn't mean they'll listen or care. Why are you denying this basic reality?
  - viraptor 3y ago
    If you have a jaded view of the EU out to get you by (checking notes) ignoring the directive and not consulting with the experts so that they can force you to use a specific connector even when better options get created... Sure, I don't think we see the same reality.
    - davorak 3y ago
      I am interested in examples of similar legal systems working as expected/desired. I live in the USA and the trope that I am exposed to here is that of bureaucracy slowing things down unnecessarily, special interests capturing regulatory[1] bodies and having undue control to the detriment of progress or society as a whole while benefiting said special interests. > Sure, I don't think we see the same reality. Possibly exposure to different governments acting different ways. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture#:~:text=Regulatory%20capture%20refers%20to%20the,primarily%20for%20its%20benefit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture#:~:text=Reg......
    - Auracle 3y ago
      First the bureaucrats would need to care. That’s a pretty big hump - people don’t like change. Instead of people going “yay, we’ll all finally be on the same connector” you’re going to have people going “no, I already have all of these cables and USB-C is good enough!” You’ll also need the various players on the other side to invest in development for something new with absolutely no guarantee that the EU will approve it. Honestly, if they wanted to mandate this they should have at least just said it’s in effect for ___ number of years and no longer.
      - kklimonda 3y ago
        But this seems like a perfectly valid argument to have. I hate that I currently have at least 5 different "usb-like" cable types in my household: usbc to usbc, usbc to lightning, usba to usbc, usba to lightning, usba to microusb, and I probably still have some mini USB cables in some boxes. I'd really hope that if something new is proposed it will be only once every player have decided to put their weight behind it to propose and push for a change.
      - theonlybutlet 3y ago
        How did we get any USB standard then? The EU would listen if the USB implementors forum came out and said this is our replacement for USB-C.
    - karaterobot 3y ago
      I didn't read the person you responded to as saying the EU was out to get anybody, I think that's an unfair characterization. They were just saying regulatory bodies move slowly, which is a completely reasonable statement, and indeed may be considered a feature of regulatory bodies. On the topic of whether they will or not, I don't see a point in speculating: we'll find out soon enough.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      The EU doesn't need to be out to get anyone for this to be true. Why make up an argument and argue against it, instead of reading and thinking before replying?

Of course it's the regulatory bodies deciding. What do you think they're doing right now, what this article is about? There is no mechanism for "industry agreeing" that the rule should be discarded.

viraptor 3y ago

If only there was a specific document which talks about the consolations with industry experts to ensure future developments update the requirements... (There may be a more recent version of that doc available) https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/translations/en/renditions/native https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/...

revelio 3y ago
In other words the regulatory bodies decide. They might, if they feel like it, ask some people who actually know something in the process of making that decision, but that doesn't mean they'll listen or care. Why are you denying this basic reality?
- viraptor 3y ago
  If you have a jaded view of the EU out to get you by (checking notes) ignoring the directive and not consulting with the experts so that they can force you to use a specific connector even when better options get created... Sure, I don't think we see the same reality.
  - davorak 3y ago
    I am interested in examples of similar legal systems working as expected/desired. I live in the USA and the trope that I am exposed to here is that of bureaucracy slowing things down unnecessarily, special interests capturing regulatory[1] bodies and having undue control to the detriment of progress or society as a whole while benefiting said special interests. > Sure, I don't think we see the same reality. Possibly exposure to different governments acting different ways. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture#:~:text=Regulatory%20capture%20refers%20to%20the,primarily%20for%20its%20benefit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture#:~:text=Reg......
  - Auracle 3y ago
    First the bureaucrats would need to care. That’s a pretty big hump - people don’t like change. Instead of people going “yay, we’ll all finally be on the same connector” you’re going to have people going “no, I already have all of these cables and USB-C is good enough!” You’ll also need the various players on the other side to invest in development for something new with absolutely no guarantee that the EU will approve it. Honestly, if they wanted to mandate this they should have at least just said it’s in effect for ___ number of years and no longer.
    - kklimonda 3y ago
      But this seems like a perfectly valid argument to have. I hate that I currently have at least 5 different "usb-like" cable types in my household: usbc to usbc, usbc to lightning, usba to usbc, usba to lightning, usba to microusb, and I probably still have some mini USB cables in some boxes. I'd really hope that if something new is proposed it will be only once every player have decided to put their weight behind it to propose and push for a change.
    - theonlybutlet 3y ago
      How did we get any USB standard then? The EU would listen if the USB implementors forum came out and said this is our replacement for USB-C.
  - karaterobot 3y ago
    I didn't read the person you responded to as saying the EU was out to get anybody, I think that's an unfair characterization. They were just saying regulatory bodies move slowly, which is a completely reasonable statement, and indeed may be considered a feature of regulatory bodies. On the topic of whether they will or not, I don't see a point in speculating: we'll find out soon enough.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    The EU doesn't need to be out to get anyone for this to be true. Why make up an argument and argue against it, instead of reading and thinking before replying?