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Terrifying to give government this much control over tech. If Apple wants to build a premium experience that is better than USB-C then what? They can’t? We es

Terrifying to give government this much control over tech. If Apple wants to build a premium experience that is better than USB-C then what? They can’t? We essentially gave W3C control over web accessibly and they can’t even release a new set of WCAG standards. Stalled and seems to be dead in committee. Keep in mind the EU doesn’t even have a standard power outlet. This is just the EU being petty and bullying an American company. Government is not the place for tech requirements.

bad_good_guy 3y ago
A stark warning for the effects of neoliberalism on a human mind.
Moldoteck 3y ago
Apple can include both usbc and that superior port and let people choose))) truth is usbc is already superior, it has been for years and I don't really understand frp what you'll need in a phone a port that should do more than 240w of energy transfer and ~40gbs of data transfer. And at last, the eu law can be adapted if industry agrees to a new port...
- dbg31415 3y ago
  Talking a year from now. Or 5. How does anyone advance? People will stop trying, USB-C is just the mandate. Why spend money building alternatives? It’s adding a barrier to tech that shouldn’t be there.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    This law basically targets Apple for not using type c, but it doesn't say it directly. All brands, including apple invested in type c and they got a good port but didn't use it. People will continue innovation just like before because law allows revising the standard so that all brands just like before will will choose the next standard. But imo there is no need for another standard for phones. I don't know if there is a phone that uses all potential of current usbc (240w and 40gbs) and it's not like port can't handle more...
    - dbg31415 3y ago
      So walk me through this... Under the new law, if Apple, or anyone else, wanted to develop a new port what would they have to do? 1) Create the new port. 2) Get the government to sign off on it. 3) Get the market to adopt it. You see the problem though... 2 and 3 are both reliant on each other. So if Apple comes up with a great new port, why would anyone shift? For that matter, why would Apple even try to come up with one, knowing there's a huge uphill climb to even be able to use it themselves? Historically Apple (or anyone else) would just have to come up with a port... use it on all their products, and sooner or later others would catch on. Who knows what the future holds... but I know 20 years from now phones will still be using USB-C thanks to this law. And that concerns me. My main objection is just I don't like the USB-C port. Like, will this ruling apply to laptops? So we can't have MagSafe? Or we have to have both? Does Apple have to ship with USB-C and then you'll have to buy MagSafe ports? That sucks. The USB-C port has the stem on the device. Which means, if the stem -- the most breakable part of the port -- breaks, you're buying a new device instead of just a new plug. That's what I fundamentally hate about USB-C. And it's thicker than a Lightning port. There's not a huge difference, but what if I want a slimmer phone again? Too bad, so sad... the government doesn't want you to have sleek and sexy. Except, can Apple ditch ports all together and just use wireless charging... or is it mandated to have a USB-C plug? Apple is only going to make one version of their phone... and I just don't like Europeans being able to dictate what gets sold in America. Apple (and others) bow to Chinese (and others) censorship... I hate that too. This all just feels so petty... "Hooray, we stuck the Americans with a different phone port, isn't Europe so wonderful!" Just feels like a weird place to flex. All of this feels like someone is upset at Apple for not paying enough in taxes so they are trying to get a bit of revenge. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/tech/apple-ireland-tax-european-commission/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/tech/apple-ireland-tax-europe...
ciex 3y ago
You build what you want but when billions of people use a technology our governments should most definitely get involved. With scale comes responsibility.

bad_good_guy 3y ago

A stark warning for the effects of neoliberalism on a human mind.

Moldoteck 3y ago

Apple can include both usbc and that superior port and let people choose))) truth is usbc is already superior, it has been for years and I don't really understand frp what you'll need in a phone a port that should do more than 240w of energy transfer and ~40gbs of data transfer. And at last, the eu law can be adapted if industry agrees to a new port...

dbg31415 3y ago
Talking a year from now. Or 5. How does anyone advance? People will stop trying, USB-C is just the mandate. Why spend money building alternatives? It’s adding a barrier to tech that shouldn’t be there.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  This law basically targets Apple for not using type c, but it doesn't say it directly. All brands, including apple invested in type c and they got a good port but didn't use it. People will continue innovation just like before because law allows revising the standard so that all brands just like before will will choose the next standard. But imo there is no need for another standard for phones. I don't know if there is a phone that uses all potential of current usbc (240w and 40gbs) and it's not like port can't handle more...
  - dbg31415 3y ago
    So walk me through this... Under the new law, if Apple, or anyone else, wanted to develop a new port what would they have to do? 1) Create the new port. 2) Get the government to sign off on it. 3) Get the market to adopt it. You see the problem though... 2 and 3 are both reliant on each other. So if Apple comes up with a great new port, why would anyone shift? For that matter, why would Apple even try to come up with one, knowing there's a huge uphill climb to even be able to use it themselves? Historically Apple (or anyone else) would just have to come up with a port... use it on all their products, and sooner or later others would catch on. Who knows what the future holds... but I know 20 years from now phones will still be using USB-C thanks to this law. And that concerns me. My main objection is just I don't like the USB-C port. Like, will this ruling apply to laptops? So we can't have MagSafe? Or we have to have both? Does Apple have to ship with USB-C and then you'll have to buy MagSafe ports? That sucks. The USB-C port has the stem on the device. Which means, if the stem -- the most breakable part of the port -- breaks, you're buying a new device instead of just a new plug. That's what I fundamentally hate about USB-C. And it's thicker than a Lightning port. There's not a huge difference, but what if I want a slimmer phone again? Too bad, so sad... the government doesn't want you to have sleek and sexy. Except, can Apple ditch ports all together and just use wireless charging... or is it mandated to have a USB-C plug? Apple is only going to make one version of their phone... and I just don't like Europeans being able to dictate what gets sold in America. Apple (and others) bow to Chinese (and others) censorship... I hate that too. This all just feels so petty... "Hooray, we stuck the Americans with a different phone port, isn't Europe so wonderful!" Just feels like a weird place to flex. All of this feels like someone is upset at Apple for not paying enough in taxes so they are trying to get a bit of revenge. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/tech/apple-ireland-tax-european-commission/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/tech/apple-ireland-tax-europe...

ciex 3y ago

You build what you want but when billions of people use a technology our governments should most definitely get involved. With scale comes responsibility.