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I don't understand the rationale. Does the EU not have a free market where consumers can choose what they pay for? If lightning connector is an important enough

I don't understand the rationale. Does the EU not have a free market where consumers can choose what they pay for? If lightning connector is an important enough issue for someone they can choose not to buy an iPhone. There are n number of alternatives available in the market, unlike the software ecosystem situation.

DJHenk 3y ago
Having lots of alternatives is not always beneficial for society as a whole.
- scarface74 3y ago
  Yes, the EU should come up with “5 Year Plans” for everything…
- perryizgr8 3y ago
  Why not? I'm surprised to read this assertion. In any market, I don't see how greater diversity of choice can be a bad thing.
- troad 3y ago
  > Having lots of alternatives is not always beneficial for society as a whole. A European sentiment if I've ever heard one. I'm pleased that Brussels has cracked the case of what the Greater Good is, and what sacrifices we must all (mandatorily) make in pursuit of it. I'll let Plato know, I'm sure he'll be thrilled.
Moldoteck 3y ago
You know, there is a word, called standard and govs sometimes mandate those standards to help consumers...
- perryizgr8 3y ago
  I'm all for standards bodies. But government should not force anybody to follow a particular one. It's not like apple is advertising USB C and not delivering it. If lightning is so inferior to USB C, consumers will vote with their money and iPhones will either die out or apple will start offering it with USB C. The fact is that it hardly matters. This is a non issue for most users. But due to some bureaucrats who have sold zero dollars worth of high tech products, Apple (a trillion dollar company who knows a thing or two about business and technology) has to modify their offering.
  - jdiez17 3y ago
    It's not possible for consumers to signal that they would prefer an iPhone with a USB-C port instead of Lightning.
    - perryizgr8 3y ago
      It is also not possible for consumers to signal that they would prefer a Google Pixel with a Lightning port instead of USB C. Doesn't mean government should force Google to offer their phone with Lightning port. It is never possible to signal exactly what you want, down to the minutest details. The signal is always for the overall product as it exists. And that works fine. If people really cared about USB C they would stop buying phones without it.
      - Moldoteck 3y ago
        Lol, lightning is proprietary so can't be used by other companies. If people really cared about USB C they would stop buying phones without it - that's false, there are a lot of people that care about usbc but they buy because of other reasons like cameras and default walled garden for less trouble
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    Users pay not just for the port but for other things too, the fact that port is bad doesn't mean people will not buy a phone it just means port is bad and it is bad for environment to use it instead of an universal usbc. If Apple want to keep it, it can include both ports for eu market but let's be serious, they understand lightning is inferior and people will just demand typec when given the chance

DJHenk 3y ago

Having lots of alternatives is not always beneficial for society as a whole.

scarface74 3y ago
Yes, the EU should come up with “5 Year Plans” for everything…
perryizgr8 3y ago
Why not? I'm surprised to read this assertion. In any market, I don't see how greater diversity of choice can be a bad thing.
troad 3y ago
> Having lots of alternatives is not always beneficial for society as a whole. A European sentiment if I've ever heard one. I'm pleased that Brussels has cracked the case of what the Greater Good is, and what sacrifices we must all (mandatorily) make in pursuit of it. I'll let Plato know, I'm sure he'll be thrilled.

Moldoteck 3y ago

You know, there is a word, called standard and govs sometimes mandate those standards to help consumers...

perryizgr8 3y ago
I'm all for standards bodies. But government should not force anybody to follow a particular one. It's not like apple is advertising USB C and not delivering it. If lightning is so inferior to USB C, consumers will vote with their money and iPhones will either die out or apple will start offering it with USB C. The fact is that it hardly matters. This is a non issue for most users. But due to some bureaucrats who have sold zero dollars worth of high tech products, Apple (a trillion dollar company who knows a thing or two about business and technology) has to modify their offering.
- jdiez17 3y ago
  It's not possible for consumers to signal that they would prefer an iPhone with a USB-C port instead of Lightning.
  - perryizgr8 3y ago
    It is also not possible for consumers to signal that they would prefer a Google Pixel with a Lightning port instead of USB C. Doesn't mean government should force Google to offer their phone with Lightning port. It is never possible to signal exactly what you want, down to the minutest details. The signal is always for the overall product as it exists. And that works fine. If people really cared about USB C they would stop buying phones without it.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      Lol, lightning is proprietary so can't be used by other companies. If people really cared about USB C they would stop buying phones without it - that's false, there are a lot of people that care about usbc but they buy because of other reasons like cameras and default walled garden for less trouble
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  Users pay not just for the port but for other things too, the fact that port is bad doesn't mean people will not buy a phone it just means port is bad and it is bad for environment to use it instead of an universal usbc. If Apple want to keep it, it can include both ports for eu market but let's be serious, they understand lightning is inferior and people will just demand typec when given the chance