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The non-refined versions may release as much glucose, but they don't do it all at once. Also the fiber that they contain is good for you. Processed meats cont

by btilly 4y ago

The non-refined versions may release as much glucose, but they don't do it all at once. Also the fiber that they contain is good for you. Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes. As for sugar, they are on the list of foods they examined. What they found is that we're eating more French fries, so that turns out to be a bigger factor in practice.

thih9 4y ago
> Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes. Why is salt / bad influence for people with diabetes relevant in this context? Weren’t we interested in meat in relation to the rising global incidence of diabetes? Cottage cheese, shrimp, canned tuna and more also are high in sodium.
- SoftTalker 4y ago
  Processed meats often also contain a lot of sugar. Breakfast sausage, bacon, etc. frequently have added sugar.
  - epistasis 4y ago
    Even beef jerky has ridiculous amounts of sugar, it's hard to find a brand that doesn't have more sugar calories than protein calories. I tend to cook nearly all my own food anyway, but it would be nice to be able to pay somebody to make ready to eat foods that didn't include ridiculously needless additions.
    - Retric 4y ago
      It’s hard to produce tasty food at a reasonable price point that doesn’t involve lots of sugar, salt, etc. Worse, when you aim for that market customers start to want local, organic, grass fed, etc which drastically increases ingredient costs.
    - rcme 4y ago
      You can buy sugar-free beef jerky. It tastes terrible.
      - epistasis 4y ago
        I make sugar free jerky, and it is better or about the same as store bought jerky. It's about 20 minutes of total work for roughly two pounds, spread out over 8-12 hours of marinating and drying. So the question is why it's hard to get even moderately low amounts of sugar, say <20% of calories from added sugar.
- base698 4y ago
  Not a doctor but it's because when you are diabetic the angiotensin system gets out of whack. Angiotensin is what is part of what regulates sodium and potassium in your kidneys which is what controls blood pressure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin%E2%80%93angiotensin_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin%E2%80%93angiotensin_sy... I think the salt consumption is a bit of a red herring and it's better to fix the metabolic syndrome.
stefantalpalaru 4y ago
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steve_adams_86 4y ago
It isn’t known to be causal but one suspected link is nitrites present in processed meats. This study seems to be the best we have. It’s observational and involved self reporting of diets. https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1004149 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo... It’s complicated too because nitrites found in fresh vegetables are strongly correlated with health improvements. This could mean that nitrites aren’t the problem, nitrites in the presence of animal proteins is the problem, or in the presence of fat, salt, etc. It doesn’t appear very clear to me.

by btilly 4y ago

thih9 4y ago

> Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes. Why is salt / bad influence for people with diabetes relevant in this context? Weren’t we interested in meat in relation to the rising global incidence of diabetes? Cottage cheese, shrimp, canned tuna and more also are high in sodium.

SoftTalker 4y ago
Processed meats often also contain a lot of sugar. Breakfast sausage, bacon, etc. frequently have added sugar.
- epistasis 4y ago
  Even beef jerky has ridiculous amounts of sugar, it's hard to find a brand that doesn't have more sugar calories than protein calories. I tend to cook nearly all my own food anyway, but it would be nice to be able to pay somebody to make ready to eat foods that didn't include ridiculously needless additions.
  - Retric 4y ago
    It’s hard to produce tasty food at a reasonable price point that doesn’t involve lots of sugar, salt, etc. Worse, when you aim for that market customers start to want local, organic, grass fed, etc which drastically increases ingredient costs.
  - rcme 4y ago
    You can buy sugar-free beef jerky. It tastes terrible.
    - epistasis 4y ago
      I make sugar free jerky, and it is better or about the same as store bought jerky. It's about 20 minutes of total work for roughly two pounds, spread out over 8-12 hours of marinating and drying. So the question is why it's hard to get even moderately low amounts of sugar, say <20% of calories from added sugar.
base698 4y ago
Not a doctor but it's because when you are diabetic the angiotensin system gets out of whack. Angiotensin is what is part of what regulates sodium and potassium in your kidneys which is what controls blood pressure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin%E2%80%93angiotensin_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin%E2%80%93angiotensin_sy... I think the salt consumption is a bit of a red herring and it's better to fix the metabolic syndrome.

stefantalpalaru 4y ago

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steve_adams_86 4y ago

It isn’t known to be causal but one suspected link is nitrites present in processed meats. This study seems to be the best we have. It’s observational and involved self reporting of diets. https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1004149 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo... It’s complicated too because nitrites found in fresh vegetables are strongly correlated with health improvements. This could mean that nitrites aren’t the problem, nitrites in the presence of animal proteins is the problem, or in the presence of fat, salt, etc. It doesn’t appear very clear to me.