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It works pretty well on email. When I mark a user as spam or set up a filter rule, all of their content goes direct to spam or even deleted if I want. Doesn't b

It works pretty well on email. When I mark a user as spam or set up a filter rule, all of their content goes direct to spam or even deleted if I want. Doesn't bother me at all. Email has also dealt with the spam issue mostly. If you blast me with too many emails, you get put on a spammer blacklist and servers will just drop the content without delivering it. It also isn't a crime to be unwillingly sent illegal content which you immediately delete.

mort96 4y ago
Email has not solved the spam issue. I regularly get obvious spam email in my inbox, and legit mail still goes in the junk folder from time to time – with gmail. Plus, the automated spam filtering systems make it practically impossible to host your own e-mail, and any self-hosted email will have even worse issues with inbound spam than gmail does. Spam is at the core of what makes email a terrible example of a federated system, along with absolutely terrible client compatibility issues.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  That's irrelevant, automated blocking is a different discussion. This is about if it matters that the content hit your server or client and then was deleted because you had the user blocked, or if it's better to have a centralized system where the blocked users messages never make it to your client. From the users perspective I can't really see any difference here.
  - mort96 4y ago
    And from a users's perspective, spam makes it through and legit messages end up in spam and the whole email system is more or less centralised due to attempts at combatting the issue. Those are all user facing issues. Your ideas for client-side blocking in a federated system may be okay, I don't know. I'm objecting to the "Email has dealt with the spam issue mostly" thing; it absolutely has not.
    - ndriscoll 4y ago
      > the whole email system is more or less centralised due to attempts at combatting the issue Do the big email providers even attempt to combat spam? I got an email from booking.com yesterday that literally contains the text "This message is an advertisement." From what I can tell, Gmail hasn't maintained their spam filters in at least a decade.
zimpenfish 4y ago
> It works pretty well on email. As someone who has been running mail servers for 20 years, no, it does not. I'm sure other mail admins will agree.
- account42 4y ago
  > I'm sure other mail admins will agree. Don't be.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    Then I, and no doubt many others, would love the disagreers to document their setups which have defeated spam because it is still a daily problem round these parts.

mort96 4y ago

Email has not solved the spam issue. I regularly get obvious spam email in my inbox, and legit mail still goes in the junk folder from time to time – with gmail. Plus, the automated spam filtering systems make it practically impossible to host your own e-mail, and any self-hosted email will have even worse issues with inbound spam than gmail does. Spam is at the core of what makes email a terrible example of a federated system, along with absolutely terrible client compatibility issues.

Gigachad 4y ago
That's irrelevant, automated blocking is a different discussion. This is about if it matters that the content hit your server or client and then was deleted because you had the user blocked, or if it's better to have a centralized system where the blocked users messages never make it to your client. From the users perspective I can't really see any difference here.
- mort96 4y ago
  And from a users's perspective, spam makes it through and legit messages end up in spam and the whole email system is more or less centralised due to attempts at combatting the issue. Those are all user facing issues. Your ideas for client-side blocking in a federated system may be okay, I don't know. I'm objecting to the "Email has dealt with the spam issue mostly" thing; it absolutely has not.
  - ndriscoll 4y ago
    > the whole email system is more or less centralised due to attempts at combatting the issue Do the big email providers even attempt to combat spam? I got an email from booking.com yesterday that literally contains the text "This message is an advertisement." From what I can tell, Gmail hasn't maintained their spam filters in at least a decade.

zimpenfish 4y ago

> It works pretty well on email. As someone who has been running mail servers for 20 years, no, it does not. I'm sure other mail admins will agree.

account42 4y ago
> I'm sure other mail admins will agree. Don't be.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  Then I, and no doubt many others, would love the disagreers to document their setups which have defeated spam because it is still a daily problem round these parts.