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Shouldn't the title read "Modern Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people found to have Pictish ancestry"?

naikrovek 3y ago
well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it also say American? /s omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned nation has zero Pictish ancestry.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  The opening of the article explicitly lists “Scotland, Wales, North Ireland and Northumbria” despite leaving Northumbria (which resides mostly in northern England) out of the title.
  - naikrovek 3y ago
    ok. again, headlines omit details. that's a normal thing for a headline to do.
  - RansomStark 3y ago
    This is due to the politics of the UK. in the UK, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are first class citizens, along with England. It is the United Kingdom of Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales) and Northern Ireland. Northumbria, however, does not exist anymore, its now a bunch of English counties, and the southern half of Scotland (south of the Firth of Forth). Without more details on which part of Northumbria is meant it's impossible to know if Enlgand should be included, it may also be wrong to include England if its only a small part and its most / all of Scotland, Wales, and Northen Ireland The author may be getting confused with the similarly named modern county of Northumberland. You'd be surprised how often the border region between England and Scotland is confused, misplaced, or forgotten about. [Source: I'm from Northumberland, technically Tyne and Wear, but thats splitting an already split hair] Edited for clarity
    - alistairSH 3y ago
      That’s a good explanation. I’m from Blairgowrie originally. I thought it odd to include Northumbria in one list, but leave it (or England) off the other. But then including a historic county along with countries is odd anyway. I assumed they meant northern England because the parts within Scotland wouldn’t need to be called out again within a list.
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- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  "have X-ish ancestry" versus "I'm X-ish" ... the lifelong conundrum It gets even more perplexing when you consider someone like .. well, me .. who would say "I'm from X, but not of X".
Maursault 3y ago
Sure, if you want to nitpict.

well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it also say American? /s omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned nation has zero Pictish ancestry.

alistairSH 3y ago
The opening of the article explicitly lists “Scotland, Wales, North Ireland and Northumbria” despite leaving Northumbria (which resides mostly in northern England) out of the title.
- naikrovek 3y ago
  ok. again, headlines omit details. that's a normal thing for a headline to do.
- RansomStark 3y ago
  This is due to the politics of the UK. in the UK, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are first class citizens, along with England. It is the United Kingdom of Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales) and Northern Ireland. Northumbria, however, does not exist anymore, its now a bunch of English counties, and the southern half of Scotland (south of the Firth of Forth). Without more details on which part of Northumbria is meant it's impossible to know if Enlgand should be included, it may also be wrong to include England if its only a small part and its most / all of Scotland, Wales, and Northen Ireland The author may be getting confused with the similarly named modern county of Northumberland. You'd be surprised how often the border region between England and Scotland is confused, misplaced, or forgotten about. [Source: I'm from Northumberland, technically Tyne and Wear, but thats splitting an already split hair] Edited for clarity
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    That’s a good explanation. I’m from Blairgowrie originally. I thought it odd to include Northumbria in one list, but leave it (or England) off the other. But then including a historic county along with countries is odd anyway. I assumed they meant northern England because the parts within Scotland wouldn’t need to be called out again within a list.
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PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
"have X-ish ancestry" versus "I'm X-ish" ... the lifelong conundrum It gets even more perplexing when you consider someone like .. well, me .. who would say "I'm from X, but not of X".

Maursault 3y ago

Sure, if you want to nitpict.