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Three months from now: Discord raises 500 million dollars to make the next generation social media company. Wonder if that would be before or after a misguided

Three months from now: Discord raises 500 million dollars to make the next generation social media company. Wonder if that would be before or after a misguided attempt to purge NSFW content

prepend 3y ago
Which is especially funny for discord as they are private servers. I don’t want discord checking what I’m saying in my own server with my own friends.
- Fnoord 3y ago
  > Which is especially funny for discord as they are private servers. Not my definition of private. > I don’t want discord checking what I’m saying in my own server with my own friends. Then use E2E encryption.
  - Technetium 3y ago
    > Then use E2E encryption Great idea, except for the part that modifying the client is a bannable offense itself, and you can get banned as a spammer for using it too often. Nevertheless, it's possible: https://github.com/leogx9r/DiscordCrypt https://github.com/leogx9r/DiscordCrypt // https://github.com/An00nymushun/End-to-end-Discord-Encryption https://github.com/An00nymushun/End-to-end-Discord-Encryptio...
- dceddia 3y ago
  It always seemed a little weird to me that Discord decided to call them “servers” and let people believe things like this (that it’s yours, that it’s truly private even from the company’s eyes) when it’s really more akin to an invite-only Facebook group. It’s hosted by them, so they can shut them down if they wanted, and I’d have very little trust that they can’t see the messages inside.
  - pram 3y ago
    They’re (were) called guilds, not servers, in the API fwiw
    - Macha 3y ago
      I believe this is an artifact of the discord founders previous project, guildworks, which let ffxiv guilds text chat with players out of game as one feature later on its life
  - prepend 3y ago
    I understand about it’s their resources. What I mean is that it’s a private, closed group that’s invite only. They have no need to moderate content as if someone doesn’t like it, they leave. This is different from public networks where content spreads broadly and is seen broadly. I wouldn’t expect, nor want discord to know if my material is nsfw or not. If they imposed any restriction it would make me less likely to use them. I noticed through using bark, an app used to monitor and protect kids device usage, that discord doesn’t provide any api user access to content and the only way to see material is through their app.
    - CapstanRoller 3y ago
      The implication is that Discord can surveil you (or help a government surveil you), not that your chats will be leaked to the world directly. Discord "servers" are just instances of Discord on Discord Inc's cloud. Discord never claims that they are private in the sense of 'sovereign', only that you can moderate them yourself. Discord openly states in the TOS that their "Trust and Safety" team can see literally everything you do (channel messages, DMs, attachments, etc) at any time.
      - anticensor 3y ago
        There is no Discord Inc. cloud. Discord is hosted on the Google cloud.
        3y ago
- jacooper 3y ago
  Discord has worse privacy then Facebook. Use something better, like matrix.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    In what way is it worse than FB? Everything is recorded and stored forever. One is beholden to the French authorities, the other serves the US. I say, build your own chat system. It's not that hard.
    - jacooper 3y ago
      French? Discord is an american company Also matrix is e2e encrypted. Look at data collected section, they basically collect everything, nothing is deleted. https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/discord/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/discord...
      - beebeepka 3y ago
        Don't know why I thought it was French. Can't find anything about where they are on Wikipedia. As for the link, are you talking about the "app" or the web version? Of course the "app" is collecting anything that it can. Don't install it.
        jacooper 3y ago
        This is for discord in general
        beebeepka 3y ago
        Maybe I am reading it wrong but as far as I can see, the creepy stuff is confined to the app. Feel free to correct me again, though
  - gsich 3y ago
    Has crappy or non-existant voice support. Use Mumble for that.
- concordDance 3y ago
  But you might be misgendering people or saying offensive things about protected minorities in there! And that's bad and needs to be stopped. (I'm somewhat upset the UK has done this, with actual charges for hate speech communication on private whatsapp groups)
- herbst 3y ago
  Then better don't use it because that is exactly what is happening.

Three months from now: Discord raises 500 million dollars to make the next generation social media company. Wonder if that would be before or after a misguided attempt to purge NSFW content

prepend 3y ago

Which is especially funny for discord as they are private servers. I don’t want discord checking what I’m saying in my own server with my own friends.

Fnoord 3y ago
> Which is especially funny for discord as they are private servers. Not my definition of private. > I don’t want discord checking what I’m saying in my own server with my own friends. Then use E2E encryption.
- Technetium 3y ago
  > Then use E2E encryption Great idea, except for the part that modifying the client is a bannable offense itself, and you can get banned as a spammer for using it too often. Nevertheless, it's possible: https://github.com/leogx9r/DiscordCrypt https://github.com/leogx9r/DiscordCrypt // https://github.com/An00nymushun/End-to-end-Discord-Encryption https://github.com/An00nymushun/End-to-end-Discord-Encryptio...
dceddia 3y ago
It always seemed a little weird to me that Discord decided to call them “servers” and let people believe things like this (that it’s yours, that it’s truly private even from the company’s eyes) when it’s really more akin to an invite-only Facebook group. It’s hosted by them, so they can shut them down if they wanted, and I’d have very little trust that they can’t see the messages inside.
- pram 3y ago
  They’re (were) called guilds, not servers, in the API fwiw
  - Macha 3y ago
    I believe this is an artifact of the discord founders previous project, guildworks, which let ffxiv guilds text chat with players out of game as one feature later on its life
- prepend 3y ago
  I understand about it’s their resources. What I mean is that it’s a private, closed group that’s invite only. They have no need to moderate content as if someone doesn’t like it, they leave. This is different from public networks where content spreads broadly and is seen broadly. I wouldn’t expect, nor want discord to know if my material is nsfw or not. If they imposed any restriction it would make me less likely to use them. I noticed through using bark, an app used to monitor and protect kids device usage, that discord doesn’t provide any api user access to content and the only way to see material is through their app.
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
    The implication is that Discord can surveil you (or help a government surveil you), not that your chats will be leaked to the world directly. Discord "servers" are just instances of Discord on Discord Inc's cloud. Discord never claims that they are private in the sense of 'sovereign', only that you can moderate them yourself. Discord openly states in the TOS that their "Trust and Safety" team can see literally everything you do (channel messages, DMs, attachments, etc) at any time.
    - anticensor 3y ago
      There is no Discord Inc. cloud. Discord is hosted on the Google cloud.
      - 3y ago
jacooper 3y ago
Discord has worse privacy then Facebook. Use something better, like matrix.
- beebeepka 3y ago
  In what way is it worse than FB? Everything is recorded and stored forever. One is beholden to the French authorities, the other serves the US. I say, build your own chat system. It's not that hard.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    French? Discord is an american company Also matrix is e2e encrypted. Look at data collected section, they basically collect everything, nothing is deleted. https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/discord/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/discord...
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      Don't know why I thought it was French. Can't find anything about where they are on Wikipedia. As for the link, are you talking about the "app" or the web version? Of course the "app" is collecting anything that it can. Don't install it.
      - jacooper 3y ago
        This is for discord in general
        beebeepka 3y ago
        Maybe I am reading it wrong but as far as I can see, the creepy stuff is confined to the app. Feel free to correct me again, though
- gsich 3y ago
  Has crappy or non-existant voice support. Use Mumble for that.
concordDance 3y ago
But you might be misgendering people or saying offensive things about protected minorities in there! And that's bad and needs to be stopped. (I'm somewhat upset the UK has done this, with actual charges for hate speech communication on private whatsapp groups)
herbst 3y ago
Then better don't use it because that is exactly what is happening.