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Meh, range of today's EVs is more than enough to support suburban and rural people. Remote rural areas with 100 mile drives to the store exist but are hardly th

by kcb 3y ago

Meh, range of today's EVs is more than enough to support suburban and rural people. Remote rural areas with 100 mile drives to the store exist but are hardly the commoners.

xbmcuser 3y ago
Rural people with the space to put in solar panels and large batteries will actually be able to get cheaper electricity than urban. With the way prices are falling for batteries and solar by 2030 it will be cheaper for most to even replace farm machinery running diesel engines with electric motors let alone cars.
George83728 3y ago
Range has nothing to do with it, I didn't say anything about EV range. It's a matter of economics, ICE bans by 2030 will require people to purchase new cars years before they otherwise would have (the economics of running a gas station business will be trashed, gas will become much more expensive.) It will require increased taxes to pay for new infrastructure, or otherwise increase the cost of electricity. All around it increases the cost of a rural lifestyle significantly, pricing commoners out. Which is probably half of the intention in the first place because rural living is frequently castigated by the anti-car crowd (who never seem to propose car bans for the rich, only policy changes that would price commoners out of owning cars.) Response to sibling comment's "just buy a field of solar panels bro": Yeah that's great for the people with money to spare. These policies won't bother rich people, but will price out the poor from whom the rich will eagerly buy up property, creating massive country estates while commoners wallow in cities. Just like Roman times. Just the way the rich want it.
- howinteresting 3y ago
  At some level a car is a luxury good which doesn't really scale. American car ownership is a historical aberration that continues to take its toll on the climate, both due to emissions from the cars themselves and with subsidized suburban and rural living.
  - George83728 3y ago
    It's all about turning a commodity into a luxury; an extremely regressive policy tantamount to throwing gasoline on the inequality fire. If use of cars is to be curtailed, they should be banned for everybody. The rich should not be allowed to buy their way out of these changes.
- kcb 3y ago
  But that's pretty much the opposite of reality. The "commoners" are increasingly priced out from being able to "wallow in cities". The idea that city living is some kind of negative punishment is really distorting your perspective.

by kcb 3y ago

Meh, range of today's EVs is more than enough to support suburban and rural people. Remote rural areas with 100 mile drives to the store exist but are hardly the commoners.

xbmcuser 3y ago

Rural people with the space to put in solar panels and large batteries will actually be able to get cheaper electricity than urban. With the way prices are falling for batteries and solar by 2030 it will be cheaper for most to even replace farm machinery running diesel engines with electric motors let alone cars.

George83728 3y ago

Range has nothing to do with it, I didn't say anything about EV range. It's a matter of economics, ICE bans by 2030 will require people to purchase new cars years before they otherwise would have (the economics of running a gas station business will be trashed, gas will become much more expensive.) It will require increased taxes to pay for new infrastructure, or otherwise increase the cost of electricity. All around it increases the cost of a rural lifestyle significantly, pricing commoners out. Which is probably half of the intention in the first place because rural living is frequently castigated by the anti-car crowd (who never seem to propose car bans for the rich, only policy changes that would price commoners out of owning cars.) Response to sibling comment's "just buy a field of solar panels bro": Yeah that's great for the people with money to spare. These policies won't bother rich people, but will price out the poor from whom the rich will eagerly buy up property, creating massive country estates while commoners wallow in cities. Just like Roman times. Just the way the rich want it.

howinteresting 3y ago
At some level a car is a luxury good which doesn't really scale. American car ownership is a historical aberration that continues to take its toll on the climate, both due to emissions from the cars themselves and with subsidized suburban and rural living.
- George83728 3y ago
  It's all about turning a commodity into a luxury; an extremely regressive policy tantamount to throwing gasoline on the inequality fire. If use of cars is to be curtailed, they should be banned for everybody. The rich should not be allowed to buy their way out of these changes.
kcb 3y ago
But that's pretty much the opposite of reality. The "commoners" are increasingly priced out from being able to "wallow in cities". The idea that city living is some kind of negative punishment is really distorting your perspective.