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Hopefully this turns out the same way ulcers were identified as being caused by h. pylori and not "stress".[1] [1] https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-

by cduzz 3y ago

Hopefully this turns out the same way ulcers were identified as being caused by h. pylori and not "stress".[1] [1] https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-doctor-who-drank-infectious-broth-gave-himself-an-ulcer-and-solved-a-medical-mystery https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-doctor-who-drank...

throwaway290 3y ago
To provide comfy environment for h pylori development it helps to have GERD which guess what happens due to stress. So h pylori does cause ulcers, but they proliferate if you stress and in a way it's potato, potato. Choose between stress lots and take h pylori meds or, you know, not stress and be unlikely to get ulcers (and lots of other bad stuff!) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7210023/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7210023/
- doctor_eval 3y ago
  GERD - Gastroesophageal reflux disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastroesophageal_reflux_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastroesophageal_reflux_diseas...
- gumby 3y ago
  Just because A increases the possibility of B does not mean B implies that A happened. I had h pylori but no GERD (and my partner has the latter but not the former). I was completely asymptomatic. That paper you linked to just included h pylori as a passing example of potential endogenous factors and did not make a more substantive claim. Note: I did not check any of the footnotes that mentioned H pylori, which might have done.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    If you were asymptomatic, does it count as ulcers? Did you had broken stomach lining and stuff? If not, isn't it exactly what I said: h pylori does not automatically cause ulcers, unless you provide with a comfy environment to thrive by stressing/refluxing
- mharig 3y ago
  It's more complicated: https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2022/04/15/scientists-reveal-good-bad-and-ugly-h-pylori https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2022/04/15/scientists-reveal-good-... And I guess the story around Parkinson's (and Alzheimer's) will come out more complicated, too.

by cduzz 3y ago

throwaway290 3y ago

To provide comfy environment for h pylori development it helps to have GERD which guess what happens due to stress. So h pylori does cause ulcers, but they proliferate if you stress and in a way it's potato, potato. Choose between stress lots and take h pylori meds or, you know, not stress and be unlikely to get ulcers (and lots of other bad stuff!) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7210023/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7210023/

doctor_eval 3y ago
GERD - Gastroesophageal reflux disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastroesophageal_reflux_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastroesophageal_reflux_diseas...
gumby 3y ago
Just because A increases the possibility of B does not mean B implies that A happened. I had h pylori but no GERD (and my partner has the latter but not the former). I was completely asymptomatic. That paper you linked to just included h pylori as a passing example of potential endogenous factors and did not make a more substantive claim. Note: I did not check any of the footnotes that mentioned H pylori, which might have done.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  If you were asymptomatic, does it count as ulcers? Did you had broken stomach lining and stuff? If not, isn't it exactly what I said: h pylori does not automatically cause ulcers, unless you provide with a comfy environment to thrive by stressing/refluxing
mharig 3y ago
It's more complicated: https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2022/04/15/scientists-reveal-good-bad-and-ugly-h-pylori https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2022/04/15/scientists-reveal-good-... And I guess the story around Parkinson's (and Alzheimer's) will come out more complicated, too.