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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/ind... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4

by tarxvf 3y ago

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/ind... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278 It's really telling that you included the bit about guns and gun rights in support of your assertion that he's racist. It reads more like you're upset with his politics overall?

DonHopkins 3y ago
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- tarxvf 3y ago
  (More related discussion) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 Note the page numbers of those URLs. From the first one: """ Let’s start with a strict and careful definition: A racist is a person who makes unjustified assumptions about the behavior or character of individuals based on beliefs about group racial differences. I think racism, in this sense, is an unequivocally bad thing. I think most decent human beings would agree with me. But if we’re going to define racism as a bad thing, then it has to be a behavior based on unjustified assumptions, because otherwise there could be times when the fear of an accusation of racism could prevent people from seeking or speaking the truth. There are looser definitions abroad. Some people think it is racist merely to believe there are significant differences between racial groups. But that is an abuse of the term, because it means that believing the objective truth, without any intent to use it to prejudge individuals, can make you a racist. """ You're continuing to act as if you hate his politics and refuse to read what he writes in good faith, and fail to cite quotes. I guess from the previous discussions this is a pet project of yours. Calling out problems and explicitly trying to figure out solutions where everyone is on equal footing is the opposite of racism. For my own pet project: Public school systems are failing to teach effectively but it disproportionately impacts minorities due to systemic income inequality (suburbs with 'good schools' being richer). (My mom thinks this is done on purpose and stems from old-school racists still upset about desegregation, and lately I think she's right - too many inner city schools are turning people out without even the ability to read for it to be an accident.) In your worldview, ESR would be giddy about this and want it to continue. Does that really seem like something he would agree with, to you? From my reading of his blog, I can't really see my way to a world where he would. He seems like a libertarian/egalitarian that would want to improve education for everyone, so it's very difficult to see how you're getting to your conclusions, nevermind try them on for size.
- tarxvf 3y ago
  > So you tolerate his racism because you like his politics? Or is tolerating racism part of your politics too? From the start this thread is because I questioned the description of him as a racist, so I clearly don't believe he's a racist. Tolerating racism is very much not a part of my politics, or your accusation of him being a racist wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Obviously. Still not sure why you've consistently tried to cast phrases that disagree with you politically but have absolutely no bearing to race as racist in tone, somehow. At least this last set of quotes, minus the context, facially _appear_ to be racist. That's an improvement! I couldn't substantiate the first couple. He could plausibly have just made the originals disappear, but at this point I'm losing interest. If he was a racist, and a presumably unapologetic one, why is it not in his blog, and why is his blog in stark contrast to your claims?
- baremetal 3y ago
  Calling people racist is hateful. Even if they are racist. Let's love and not hate. don't make it worse by adding hatred to an already awful situation. “You cannot solve a problem with the same mind that created it." - Albert Einstein
  - nicoco 3y ago
    Hate the racism, not the racist! I agree. All we need is love, for fuck's sake.
baremetal 3y ago
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DonHopkins 3y ago

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tarxvf 3y ago
(More related discussion) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 Note the page numbers of those URLs. From the first one: """ Let’s start with a strict and careful definition: A racist is a person who makes unjustified assumptions about the behavior or character of individuals based on beliefs about group racial differences. I think racism, in this sense, is an unequivocally bad thing. I think most decent human beings would agree with me. But if we’re going to define racism as a bad thing, then it has to be a behavior based on unjustified assumptions, because otherwise there could be times when the fear of an accusation of racism could prevent people from seeking or speaking the truth. There are looser definitions abroad. Some people think it is racist merely to believe there are significant differences between racial groups. But that is an abuse of the term, because it means that believing the objective truth, without any intent to use it to prejudge individuals, can make you a racist. """ You're continuing to act as if you hate his politics and refuse to read what he writes in good faith, and fail to cite quotes. I guess from the previous discussions this is a pet project of yours. Calling out problems and explicitly trying to figure out solutions where everyone is on equal footing is the opposite of racism. For my own pet project: Public school systems are failing to teach effectively but it disproportionately impacts minorities due to systemic income inequality (suburbs with 'good schools' being richer). (My mom thinks this is done on purpose and stems from old-school racists still upset about desegregation, and lately I think she's right - too many inner city schools are turning people out without even the ability to read for it to be an accident.) In your worldview, ESR would be giddy about this and want it to continue. Does that really seem like something he would agree with, to you? From my reading of his blog, I can't really see my way to a world where he would. He seems like a libertarian/egalitarian that would want to improve education for everyone, so it's very difficult to see how you're getting to your conclusions, nevermind try them on for size.
tarxvf 3y ago
> So you tolerate his racism because you like his politics? Or is tolerating racism part of your politics too? From the start this thread is because I questioned the description of him as a racist, so I clearly don't believe he's a racist. Tolerating racism is very much not a part of my politics, or your accusation of him being a racist wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Obviously. Still not sure why you've consistently tried to cast phrases that disagree with you politically but have absolutely no bearing to race as racist in tone, somehow. At least this last set of quotes, minus the context, facially _appear_ to be racist. That's an improvement! I couldn't substantiate the first couple. He could plausibly have just made the originals disappear, but at this point I'm losing interest. If he was a racist, and a presumably unapologetic one, why is it not in his blog, and why is his blog in stark contrast to your claims?
baremetal 3y ago
Calling people racist is hateful. Even if they are racist. Let's love and not hate. don't make it worse by adding hatred to an already awful situation. “You cannot solve a problem with the same mind that created it." - Albert Einstein
- nicoco 3y ago
  Hate the racism, not the racist! I agree. All we need is love, for fuck's sake.

baremetal 3y ago

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