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Real URL: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/ http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/

by teddyh 4y ago

DonHopkins 4y ago
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- tasuki 4y ago
  Why? The author might be a vile racist, but his site is the source for this collection. The link posted here just strips the editor's introduction[0] which I personally found valuable. [0]: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/introduction.html http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/introduction.html
  - microtherion 4y ago
    Regardless of the merits of the material and its author, I think the primary site, if anything, should be used. If you find this valuable/entertaining enough to read then read it at the original URL. If you find the author vile and/or the material not worth the time, linking to a ripped off copy of it doesn't make things better.
  - Fnoord 4y ago
    Because of the paradox of tolerance, and because you might not wanna connect to an extremist's website. You could argue you don't wanna read their writings either but AFAICT the writing is solid.
- worthless-trash 4y ago
  Why ? Are we living in a world now where if one part of someone sucks we assume that everything from that person is evil ? Is that how tribal we're going ?
  - baremetal 4y ago
    It seems only people who are loaded up on current buzzwords to be upset about are like that. On both sides. Well adjusted people are able to overlook an offense. "A person’s wisdom yields patience; it is to one’s glory to overlook an offense." - Proverbs 19:11
- tarxvf 4y ago
  ESR is explicitly anti-racist and always has been from what I've seen, so this is a very confusing post.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
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    - tarxvf 4y ago
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/ind... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278 It's really telling that you included the bit about guns and gun rights in support of your assertion that he's racist. It reads more like you're upset with his politics overall?
      - DonHopkins 4y ago
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        tarxvf 4y ago
        (More related discussion) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 Note the page numbers of those URLs. From the first one: """ Let’s start with a strict and careful definition: A racist is a person who makes unjustified assumptions about the behavior or character of individuals based on beliefs about group racial differences. I think racism, in this sense, is an unequivocally bad thing. I think most decent human beings would agree with me. But if we’re going to define racism as a bad thing, then it has to be a behavior based on unjustified assumptions, because otherwise there could be times when the fear of an accusation of racism could prevent people from seeking or speaking the truth. There are looser definitions abroad. Some people think it is racist merely to believe there are significant differences between racial groups. But that is an abuse of the term, because it means that believing the objective truth, without any intent to use it to prejudge individuals, can make you a racist. """ You're continuing to act as if you hate his politics and refuse to read what he writes in good faith, and fail to cite quotes. I guess from the previous discussions this is a pet project of yours. Calling out problems and explicitly trying to figure out solutions where everyone is on equal footing is the opposite of racism. For my own pet project: Public school systems are failing to teach effectively but it disproportionately impacts minorities due to systemic income inequality (suburbs with 'good schools' being richer). (My mom thinks this is done on purpose and stems from old-school racists still upset about desegregation, and lately I think she's right - too many inner city schools are turning people out without even the ability to read for it to be an accident.) In your worldview, ESR would be giddy about this and want it to continue. Does that really seem like something he would agree with, to you? From my reading of his blog, I can't really see my way to a world where he would. He seems like a libertarian/egalitarian that would want to improve education for everyone, so it's very difficult to see how you're getting to your conclusions, nevermind try them on for size.
- baremetal 4y ago
  What kind of mentality could this post be described as? Calling people racist is hateful. Lets love and not hate.

Real URL: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/ http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/

by teddyh 4y ago

Real URL: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/ http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/

DonHopkins 4y ago

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tasuki 4y ago
Why? The author might be a vile racist, but his site is the source for this collection. The link posted here just strips the editor's introduction[0] which I personally found valuable. [0]: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/introduction.html http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/introduction.html
- microtherion 4y ago
  Regardless of the merits of the material and its author, I think the primary site, if anything, should be used. If you find this valuable/entertaining enough to read then read it at the original URL. If you find the author vile and/or the material not worth the time, linking to a ripped off copy of it doesn't make things better.
- Fnoord 4y ago
  Because of the paradox of tolerance, and because you might not wanna connect to an extremist's website. You could argue you don't wanna read their writings either but AFAICT the writing is solid.
worthless-trash 4y ago
Why ? Are we living in a world now where if one part of someone sucks we assume that everything from that person is evil ? Is that how tribal we're going ?
- baremetal 4y ago
  It seems only people who are loaded up on current buzzwords to be upset about are like that. On both sides. Well adjusted people are able to overlook an offense. "A person’s wisdom yields patience; it is to one’s glory to overlook an offense." - Proverbs 19:11
tarxvf 4y ago
ESR is explicitly anti-racist and always has been from what I've seen, so this is a very confusing post.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
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  - tarxvf 4y ago
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/ind... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278 It's really telling that you included the bit about guns and gun rights in support of your assertion that he's racist. It reads more like you're upset with his politics overall?
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
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      - tarxvf 4y ago
        (More related discussion) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15513074 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4994 Note the page numbers of those URLs. From the first one: """ Let’s start with a strict and careful definition: A racist is a person who makes unjustified assumptions about the behavior or character of individuals based on beliefs about group racial differences. I think racism, in this sense, is an unequivocally bad thing. I think most decent human beings would agree with me. But if we’re going to define racism as a bad thing, then it has to be a behavior based on unjustified assumptions, because otherwise there could be times when the fear of an accusation of racism could prevent people from seeking or speaking the truth. There are looser definitions abroad. Some people think it is racist merely to believe there are significant differences between racial groups. But that is an abuse of the term, because it means that believing the objective truth, without any intent to use it to prejudge individuals, can make you a racist. """ You're continuing to act as if you hate his politics and refuse to read what he writes in good faith, and fail to cite quotes. I guess from the previous discussions this is a pet project of yours. Calling out problems and explicitly trying to figure out solutions where everyone is on equal footing is the opposite of racism. For my own pet project: Public school systems are failing to teach effectively but it disproportionately impacts minorities due to systemic income inequality (suburbs with 'good schools' being richer). (My mom thinks this is done on purpose and stems from old-school racists still upset about desegregation, and lately I think she's right - too many inner city schools are turning people out without even the ability to read for it to be an accident.) In your worldview, ESR would be giddy about this and want it to continue. Does that really seem like something he would agree with, to you? From my reading of his blog, I can't really see my way to a world where he would. He seems like a libertarian/egalitarian that would want to improve education for everyone, so it's very difficult to see how you're getting to your conclusions, nevermind try them on for size.
baremetal 4y ago
What kind of mentality could this post be described as? Calling people racist is hateful. Lets love and not hate.