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Whether or not a priest is gay has no bearing on their ability to be a responsible shepherd for their community. It's the 21st century, leave that shit in the p

by kibwen 4y ago

Whether or not a priest is gay has no bearing on their ability to be a responsible shepherd for their community. It's the 21st century, leave that shit in the past.

TheFreim 4y ago
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- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  I'm not Catholic, but from what I understand, Catholic priests are forbidden marriage, extramarital sex, and sodomy on top of that. Being on a dating or hookup app is evidence of temptation, but in itself no more than that. Hmm. I do wonder if any of the priests were on these apps to try to identify any other priests who were on there, not because they themselves were gay.
  - TheFreim 4y ago
    > Being on a dating or hookup app is evidence of temptation, but in itself no more than that. This could be true, merely having an application doesn't mean someone is continuing on to do other things. The problem is that a priest isn't understood in a Catholic context merely be a private person. Publicly going on one of these "dating" applications and identifying oneself in such a manner lends itself towards the sin of scandal among other issues. > I do wonder if any of the priests were on these apps to try to identify any other priests who were on there, not because they themselves were gay. This would need need to be considered, but it seems unlikely. First, this idea is highly unlikely since without data analysis (which was done by the group discussed iirc) you're essentially exposing yourself to material you find objectionable go a goal that has minimal practical likelihood of being successful. On top of that, the kind of priest who would want to expose bad behavior isn't the kind of person who would ever considering using these applications. Also, if my memory serves me from when I first heard about this, data/information was simply referred to the relevant bishop who in turn would choose if/how to proceed.
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      I definitely understand why other commenters here are opposed to this, but I also understand why you and like-minded commenters find this a good thing. I hope those bishops respond appropriately. Thanks for the comment.
- briga 4y ago
  I'm going to assume you're saying this in good faith and aren't really familiar the gay community as a whole. If you were you would know that it contains plenty of intelligent, kind and deeply moral people. Either way the moral high ground you're standing on here is an illusion. Individuals are not groups, and you cannot rightly judge an individual based on stereotypes about that group.
nyolfen 4y ago
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- TheFreim 4y ago
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  - sterlind 4y ago
    We could bring back indulgences, geocentrism, the inquisition and the children's crusade if you'd prefer.
    - TheFreim 4y ago
      Indulgences never went away. The geocentrism-related issues commonly cited were due to flaws both in scientific and theological thinking (false theological justifications of novel assertions, among other things). The inquisition was just and I would have no issue with it returning in catholic countries. The picture people have is often based on black legends rather than fact. The crusades (generally, with some exceptions) were good, but for practical reasons it's not really feasible to engage in again in a way that would not bring about greater harms.
  - bippihippi1 4y ago
    I think the point is that bigotry is not supported by the bible, but by ancient bigots. good christians understand that people who use the bible to justify spreading hate are not good christians.
    - TheFreim 4y ago
      "Bigotry" and "spreading hate" are meaningless terms in this context. Bigotry is defined as "making moral claims contrary to certain modern ones which I subscribe to" and "hate" is used to mean "not supporting [immoral] actions which I support".
  - throwaway290 4y ago

by kibwen 4y ago

Whether or not a priest is gay has no bearing on their ability to be a responsible shepherd for their community. It's the 21st century, leave that shit in the past.

TheFreim 4y ago

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anonymouskimmer 4y ago
I'm not Catholic, but from what I understand, Catholic priests are forbidden marriage, extramarital sex, and sodomy on top of that. Being on a dating or hookup app is evidence of temptation, but in itself no more than that. Hmm. I do wonder if any of the priests were on these apps to try to identify any other priests who were on there, not because they themselves were gay.
- TheFreim 4y ago
  > Being on a dating or hookup app is evidence of temptation, but in itself no more than that. This could be true, merely having an application doesn't mean someone is continuing on to do other things. The problem is that a priest isn't understood in a Catholic context merely be a private person. Publicly going on one of these "dating" applications and identifying oneself in such a manner lends itself towards the sin of scandal among other issues. > I do wonder if any of the priests were on these apps to try to identify any other priests who were on there, not because they themselves were gay. This would need need to be considered, but it seems unlikely. First, this idea is highly unlikely since without data analysis (which was done by the group discussed iirc) you're essentially exposing yourself to material you find objectionable go a goal that has minimal practical likelihood of being successful. On top of that, the kind of priest who would want to expose bad behavior isn't the kind of person who would ever considering using these applications. Also, if my memory serves me from when I first heard about this, data/information was simply referred to the relevant bishop who in turn would choose if/how to proceed.
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    I definitely understand why other commenters here are opposed to this, but I also understand why you and like-minded commenters find this a good thing. I hope those bishops respond appropriately. Thanks for the comment.
briga 4y ago
I'm going to assume you're saying this in good faith and aren't really familiar the gay community as a whole. If you were you would know that it contains plenty of intelligent, kind and deeply moral people. Either way the moral high ground you're standing on here is an illusion. Individuals are not groups, and you cannot rightly judge an individual based on stereotypes about that group.

nyolfen 4y ago

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TheFreim 4y ago
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- sterlind 4y ago
  We could bring back indulgences, geocentrism, the inquisition and the children's crusade if you'd prefer.
  - TheFreim 4y ago
    Indulgences never went away. The geocentrism-related issues commonly cited were due to flaws both in scientific and theological thinking (false theological justifications of novel assertions, among other things). The inquisition was just and I would have no issue with it returning in catholic countries. The picture people have is often based on black legends rather than fact. The crusades (generally, with some exceptions) were good, but for practical reasons it's not really feasible to engage in again in a way that would not bring about greater harms.
- bippihippi1 4y ago
  I think the point is that bigotry is not supported by the bible, but by ancient bigots. good christians understand that people who use the bible to justify spreading hate are not good christians.
  - TheFreim 4y ago
    "Bigotry" and "spreading hate" are meaningless terms in this context. Bigotry is defined as "making moral claims contrary to certain modern ones which I subscribe to" and "hate" is used to mean "not supporting [immoral] actions which I support".
- throwaway290 4y ago