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His quoted words are him frankly admitting to wanting and being willing to do the sort of human experimentation universally prohibited by medical ethics. He is

His quoted words are him frankly admitting to wanting and being willing to do the sort of human experimentation universally prohibited by medical ethics. He is saying he's only being stopped by the oversight mechanisms that are in place to stop exactly that. I do find that frightening and don't see what you and other commenters gain from downplaying the seriousness of that intention.

jerkstate 4y ago
there are many countries where assisted suicide is becoming more widely accepted. Many people are willing organ donors and blood donors. Everyone and their bodies absolutely must be treated with the utmost respect, but for many, the highest respect is to be part of even the smallest iota of scientific progress.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Y'all are fucking scary I'm just extremely thankful we actually have rules of medical ethics that are enforced rather than letting you and this wannabe Mengele run wild.
s1artibartfast 4y ago
That's where I think you were putting words in his mouth. I don't think they are saying that they would want to do anything unethical or especially dangerous. That's connotation that you are inserting
- Veserv 4y ago
  Wanting to do early experimentation, that is currently only allowed to occur on animals due to safety concerns, on humans is definitionally unethical and especially dangerous. We banned it because it is unethical and especially dangerous in basically every case. There are literal decades of experience and piles of bodies supporting that point. Obviously there are some exceptions, but whatever Neuralink is doing is not one of them. Their technology and any benefits it might bring is at best wholly speculative and would require years to reduce to practice. There is exactly zero compelling reason why they should be given a pass on human testing safety. Suggesting that it would be acceptable to replace their animal testing with human testing as long as the volunteers were willing is about as “open and shut” unethical as you can get.
- fzeroracer 4y ago
  Human-based experimentation without proper research and understanding is unethical. We've seen what happens when that's done multiple times throughout history. That's why we have these guidelines in place. It's unethical, and what he would want to do without the law in place is unethical.

jerkstate 4y ago

there are many countries where assisted suicide is becoming more widely accepted. Many people are willing organ donors and blood donors. Everyone and their bodies absolutely must be treated with the utmost respect, but for many, the highest respect is to be part of even the smallest iota of scientific progress.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
Y'all are fucking scary I'm just extremely thankful we actually have rules of medical ethics that are enforced rather than letting you and this wannabe Mengele run wild.

s1artibartfast 4y ago

That's where I think you were putting words in his mouth. I don't think they are saying that they would want to do anything unethical or especially dangerous. That's connotation that you are inserting

Veserv 4y ago
Wanting to do early experimentation, that is currently only allowed to occur on animals due to safety concerns, on humans is definitionally unethical and especially dangerous. We banned it because it is unethical and especially dangerous in basically every case. There are literal decades of experience and piles of bodies supporting that point. Obviously there are some exceptions, but whatever Neuralink is doing is not one of them. Their technology and any benefits it might bring is at best wholly speculative and would require years to reduce to practice. There is exactly zero compelling reason why they should be given a pass on human testing safety. Suggesting that it would be acceptable to replace their animal testing with human testing as long as the volunteers were willing is about as “open and shut” unethical as you can get.
fzeroracer 4y ago
Human-based experimentation without proper research and understanding is unethical. We've seen what happens when that's done multiple times throughout history. That's why we have these guidelines in place. It's unethical, and what he would want to do without the law in place is unethical.