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I guess you are right about how they treat Bulgarians. But one, France is still one of the most racist country in the west. Especially for north-africans (even

I guess you are right about how they treat Bulgarians. But one, France is still one of the most racist country in the west. Especially for north-africans (even if I'm also Canadian). The US is much more inclusive and less racist, and even fundamentalist christians are usually pretty nice even when I say I'm Muslim. Much more of a live and let live attitude compared to France

sofixa 4y ago
> But one, France is still one of the most racist country in the west. Especially for north-africans (even if I'm also Canadian). The US is much more inclusive and less racist, and even fundamentalist christians are usually pretty nice even when I say I'm Muslim. Much more of a live and let live attitude compared to France I don't know what you're basing this on, but I don't have the same perception. In the US, there is an obsession with categorising people based on their skin colour and religion. Politicians talk about "people of skin colour X" as some homogeneous group that is all the same (we need to win the Latino vote so we'll say this and that). The financial and healthcare systems literally take into account your skin colour. In France, people generally don't give a shit. It's illegal to categorise people by skin colour and religion, and it's illegal for your employer to ask about it. They can't discriminate based on anything like it, and it's taken seriously (not "oh just have money to sue" seriously, report them and they'll be in massive trouble seriously). In France, everyone naturalised is 100% French. There are tons of North African (Maghreb) descendants, including many muslims, and also lots of people from other parts of Africa, and South America, Asia, Europe. 1 in 4 French people has immigrant origins. Oh and also, the majority of France's population is not religious, which everyone is very accepting of alongside the religions. In the US there are states that forbid atheists from holding office ffs. - small exceptions - populist racist politicians, the main ones of whom have literally been fined for their racist remarks, and mostly old folks who believe them. Once in the bus in Paris an old man said something vaguely racist (of course it's one like her, refering to a woman of African descent speaking loudly on the phone), and was loudly and agressively criticised by multiple other passengers. Not saying it happens generally, but most people are very open and don't care about others' religion/skin colour/origins.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Lepen gets 40% of the vote. And she makes Trump looks like a humanitarian pro immigrant politician in comparison. I get the theoretical concepts of french universality, but I was more talking about 40% of the population voting for a politician that has campaigned on shipping back north African residents even those who are born in France.

sofixa 4y ago

> But one, France is still one of the most racist country in the west. Especially for north-africans (even if I'm also Canadian). The US is much more inclusive and less racist, and even fundamentalist christians are usually pretty nice even when I say I'm Muslim. Much more of a live and let live attitude compared to France I don't know what you're basing this on, but I don't have the same perception. In the US, there is an obsession with categorising people based on their skin colour and religion. Politicians talk about "people of skin colour X" as some homogeneous group that is all the same (we need to win the Latino vote so we'll say this and that). The financial and healthcare systems literally take into account your skin colour. In France, people generally don't give a shit. It's illegal to categorise people by skin colour and religion, and it's illegal for your employer to ask about it. They can't discriminate based on anything like it, and it's taken seriously (not "oh just have money to sue" seriously, report them and they'll be in massive trouble seriously). In France, everyone naturalised is 100% French. There are tons of North African (Maghreb) descendants, including many muslims, and also lots of people from other parts of Africa, and South America, Asia, Europe. 1 in 4 French people has immigrant origins. Oh and also, the majority of France's population is not religious, which everyone is very accepting of alongside the religions. In the US there are states that forbid atheists from holding office ffs. - small exceptions - populist racist politicians, the main ones of whom have literally been fined for their racist remarks, and mostly old folks who believe them. Once in the bus in Paris an old man said something vaguely racist (of course it's one like her, refering to a woman of African descent speaking loudly on the phone), and was loudly and agressively criticised by multiple other passengers. Not saying it happens generally, but most people are very open and don't care about others' religion/skin colour/origins.

mardifoufs 4y ago
Lepen gets 40% of the vote. And she makes Trump looks like a humanitarian pro immigrant politician in comparison. I get the theoretical concepts of french universality, but I was more talking about 40% of the population voting for a politician that has campaigned on shipping back north African residents even those who are born in France.