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Proof of work sucks, if the "work" is just running the same hash function over and over and wasting electricity. At Qbix, back in 2018 we were the first ones t
by EGreg 4y ago
Proof of work sucks, if the "work" is just running the same hash function over and over and wasting electricity.
At Qbix, back in 2018 we were the first ones to implement Monero mining as an option to pay for an Calendars app that was on 50,000 computers, instead of a monthly recurring fee. But we quickly took it out. Back then it blew up and was all over the news, while I was finally taking a week vacation on a cruise with bad internet LOL:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43386918 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43386918
https://venturebeat.com/security/mac-app-calendar-2-misfires-on-cryptocurrency-mining-vanishes-from-app-store/ https://venturebeat.com/security/mac-app-calendar-2-misfires...
https://mashable.com/article/apple-app-mining-cryptocurrency https://mashable.com/article/apple-app-mining-cryptocurrency
https://www.newsweek.com/apple-your-mac-mining-cryptocurrency-app-store-caught-hosting-suspect-software-842663 https://www.newsweek.com/apple-your-mac-mining-cryptocurrenc...
https://www.engadget.com/2018-03-13-apple-calendar-2-crypto-miner.html https://www.engadget.com/2018-03-13-apple-calendar-2-crypto-...
https://9to5mac.com/2018/03/13/crypto-mining-calendar-app-ios/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/03/13/crypto-mining-calendar-app-io...
The original article was from ArsTechnica, who interviewed me:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/03/theres-a-currency-miner-in-the-mac-app-store-and-apple-seems-ok-with-it/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/03/there...
I told them:
"We have decided to REMOVE the miner in the app. The next version will remove the option to get free features via mining. This is for three reasons:
1) The company which provided us the miner library did not disclose its source code, and it would take too long for them to fix the root cause of the CPU issue.
2) The rollout had a perfect storm of bugs which made it seem like our company wanted* to mine crypto-currency without people's permission, and that goes against our whole ethos and vision for Qbix.
3) My own personal feeling that Proof of Work has a dangerous set of incentives which can lead to electricity waste on a global scale we've never seen before. We don't want to get sucked into this set of incentives, and hopefully our decision to ultimately remove the miner will set some sort of precedent for other apps as well.
Ultimately, even though we technically could have remedied the situation and continued on benefiting from the pretty large income such a miner generates, we took the above as a sign that we should get out of the "mining business" before we get sucked into the Proof of Work morass of incentives."*
- EGreg 4y agoThree years ago, I wrote a whole post on HN warning about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26220992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26220992 Earlier this year "Ordinals Theory" and now the "BRC-20" tokens have been taking off like crazy... https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/05/02/first-mover-americas-bitcoin-ending-week-on-positive-note/ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/05/02/first-mover-amer... In anything that's NOT proof of work, I would be willing to engage and help the ecosystem. But with proof of work, I'm worried that the Bitcoin blockchain having MORE applications is bad for the world. I've spoken to people whose job it is to defend Bitcoin and they had to admit that, if market forces continue, then Bitcoin will start to cause blackouts for people around the world (in some parts, it already has). Ironically, the Bitcoin maxis probably hate that their beloved blockchain is now going to be overrun with degens bidding up their transaction fees to the moon: https://twitter.com/IntercoinOrg/status/1654355480569839616 https://twitter.com/IntercoinOrg/status/1654355480569839616 Anyway, I am wondering, maybe helping NFTs on Bitcoin and making degens have a mania and crowd out the Bitcoin transactions will actually make Bitcoin LESS attractive to the HODLers? In that case, I'd do it. I wish Bitcoin price would fall and make it uneconomical to mine it, while non-PoW projects like Polygon break free of it and see a lot more adoption.