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I grew up in foster care. One of my guardians made a living driving a taxi. The guy was an absolute wreck of a human and I probably wouldn't break if he was cro

by iinnPP 3y ago

I grew up in foster care. One of my guardians made a living driving a taxi. The guy was an absolute wreck of a human and I probably wouldn't break if he was crossing. It was what he used to survive though, and surely not all cab drivers would be the same. My brother in law drove Uber when he was illegally canned from his factory work and is the reason he got to eat. There are options to solve problems that don't require a change in the outcome you desire. Mainly something along the lines of forcing the companies profiting from this to pay a person a reasonable wage to act as the social aspect that will be missing. So the job market can be unaffected. It's not just a cab job problem either. It's also not about who I like or dislike or whether or not it impacts me or not. I have never used a cab in my life and I cannot drive and thus have no car taking up your street. I do however see a worsening homeless crisis in my small-ish Canadian city. I would rather see empty cars than tortured souls.

UncleEntity 3y ago
> Mainly something along the lines of forcing the companies profiting from this to pay a person a reasonable wage to act as the social aspect that will be missing. Force them to hire someone to sit in a car all day and do absolutely nothing?
- iinnPP 3y ago
  act as the social aspect that will be missing. To act as a local for a traveler. To recommend locations To do nothing but sit there and look at their device or read Or perhaps the answer is a tax on automation and everyone can sit at home perpetually online. Im not claiming to have answers to this rapidly approaching problem. It's definitely a problem though. Even if it doesn't impact myself whatsoever at this time. What is your job? If it is gone tomorrow and your education is useless, what will you do? What about your family and friends?
  - UncleEntity 3y ago
    > What is your job? I drove cabs for nine years (right up until Covid). Some people want to talk, some people don’t want to talk, some people just won’t stop talking and you have to tune them out. What everyone had in common was the desire to get from point A to point B as cheaply as possible. They didn’t care about any social aspect, given the choice I suspect the majority of them would rather not have been paying for my livelihood if it meant the ride was cheaper. How many people do you think fell for the Lyft “fist bump” BS over taking a VC subsidized ride for a discount over a taxi?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > act as the social aspect that will be missing Nobody I know wants this. I’ve had great Uber, Lyft and taxi drivers. But they’re far from the norm. I’d much prefer to be able to play my own music, or take back-to-back phone calls, or snore loudly. If this is genuinely the service, there is booming business in tour guiding.
theLiminator 3y ago
> There are options to solve problems that don't require a change in the outcome you desire. Mainly something along the lines of forcing the companies profiting from this to pay a person a reasonable wage to act as the social aspect that will be missing. So the job market can be unaffected. Essentially removing most economic incentive to deploy self-driving cars at all?
- iinnPP 3y ago
  Market dominance would still allow for it to be profitable. Is money to goal or is it a better society? Less pollution, less waste, more social interaction, and increased safety. Less colored paper. Surely the government has an interest in financially incentivising this development. Especially given a decrease in road wear and tear, lower climate impact and surely any number of other benefits.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > money to goal or is it a better society More people taking cheaper trips in cleaner vehicles is a better society in my book.
    - iinnPP 3y ago
      Absolutely. That is the today impact. What about when it's Waymo One or Uber Zero. Support is GPT7 Two. No call center jobs, no driving jobs, less supporting jobs, less money flow, more homelessness, more violence. Decreasing compensation for the jobs remaining due to increased competition. Short term profits go brrr?
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Support is GPT7 Two Have you tried to get support on Uber, Lyft or a taxi? > No call center jobs, no driving jobs, less supporting jobs, less money flow, more homelessness, more violence. Decreasing compensation for the jobs remaining due to increased competition It's difficult to distinguish this from neo-Luddism. Maybe there is nothing productive for those people to do. If so, we can address it then. But the history of technological revolutions–from the agrarian to the internet–suggests the opposite. (We are, after all, discussing jobs which first arose around a century ago.)

by iinnPP 3y ago

UncleEntity 3y ago

> Mainly something along the lines of forcing the companies profiting from this to pay a person a reasonable wage to act as the social aspect that will be missing. Force them to hire someone to sit in a car all day and do absolutely nothing?

iinnPP 3y ago
act as the social aspect that will be missing. To act as a local for a traveler. To recommend locations To do nothing but sit there and look at their device or read Or perhaps the answer is a tax on automation and everyone can sit at home perpetually online. Im not claiming to have answers to this rapidly approaching problem. It's definitely a problem though. Even if it doesn't impact myself whatsoever at this time. What is your job? If it is gone tomorrow and your education is useless, what will you do? What about your family and friends?
- UncleEntity 3y ago
  > What is your job? I drove cabs for nine years (right up until Covid). Some people want to talk, some people don’t want to talk, some people just won’t stop talking and you have to tune them out. What everyone had in common was the desire to get from point A to point B as cheaply as possible. They didn’t care about any social aspect, given the choice I suspect the majority of them would rather not have been paying for my livelihood if it meant the ride was cheaper. How many people do you think fell for the Lyft “fist bump” BS over taking a VC subsidized ride for a discount over a taxi?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > act as the social aspect that will be missing Nobody I know wants this. I’ve had great Uber, Lyft and taxi drivers. But they’re far from the norm. I’d much prefer to be able to play my own music, or take back-to-back phone calls, or snore loudly. If this is genuinely the service, there is booming business in tour guiding.

theLiminator 3y ago

> There are options to solve problems that don't require a change in the outcome you desire. Mainly something along the lines of forcing the companies profiting from this to pay a person a reasonable wage to act as the social aspect that will be missing. So the job market can be unaffected. Essentially removing most economic incentive to deploy self-driving cars at all?

iinnPP 3y ago
Market dominance would still allow for it to be profitable. Is money to goal or is it a better society? Less pollution, less waste, more social interaction, and increased safety. Less colored paper. Surely the government has an interest in financially incentivising this development. Especially given a decrease in road wear and tear, lower climate impact and surely any number of other benefits.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > money to goal or is it a better society More people taking cheaper trips in cleaner vehicles is a better society in my book.
  - iinnPP 3y ago
    Absolutely. That is the today impact. What about when it's Waymo One or Uber Zero. Support is GPT7 Two. No call center jobs, no driving jobs, less supporting jobs, less money flow, more homelessness, more violence. Decreasing compensation for the jobs remaining due to increased competition. Short term profits go brrr?
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Support is GPT7 Two Have you tried to get support on Uber, Lyft or a taxi? > No call center jobs, no driving jobs, less supporting jobs, less money flow, more homelessness, more violence. Decreasing compensation for the jobs remaining due to increased competition It's difficult to distinguish this from neo-Luddism. Maybe there is nothing productive for those people to do. If so, we can address it then. But the history of technological revolutions–from the agrarian to the internet–suggests the opposite. (We are, after all, discussing jobs which first arose around a century ago.)