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One of the companies I own (rather smallish one) creates commercial websites. Hamburger menus work just fine according to our research and a/b testing, sometime

One of the companies I own (rather smallish one) creates commercial websites. Hamburger menus work just fine according to our research and a/b testing, sometimes superior to other navigation methods, sometimes not. YMMV.

usr1106 3y ago
Does your research and a/b testing cover users that access the site via a screen reader?
- Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
  Not really, unfortunately. Very few customers require good UX with a screen reader, and we certainly can't afford the expenses necessary to research it on our own initiative. To be honest, I didn't even think about it until now, but since you mentioned it, I'll ask my design team to do a small-ish research and in the future try to build navigation better accessible for people with impaired vision. I'll hardly be a top-notch experience, but at least we'll try to pick the lowest hanging fruit.
  - usr1106 3y ago
    I was not the first to mention it, the submitted article was.
  - ddevault 3y ago
    I take pride in making my websites accessible for everyone regardless of the monetary incentive to do so, and to make inaccessible websites simply because you don't think there's money in it is very shameful. Not saying that hamburger menus can or cannot be accessible; just saying that, as an engineer, you really have an obligation to make something that is accessible. This is a basic, non-negotiable requirement for all software.
  - cosmotic 3y ago
    Screen reader testing is a risk mitigation strategy. Is the team okay risking ADA law suits?
    - Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
      Living in fascist Russia, ADA law suits are some the least of my concerns. ...
      - usr1106 3y ago
        With your honesty uncovering your HN account would be more dangerous. All the best!
    - c0m 3y ago
      Wow, I didn't realise this was a risk picking up steam. Can only imagine how frustrating the internet was for screen reader users in 2020, which probably spurred this campaign on. Info for the underinformed: https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/behavioral-competencies/global-and-cultural-effectiveness/pages/record-number-of-lawsuits-filed-over-accessibility-for-people-with-disabilities.aspx https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/behavioral-... https://www.whoisaccessible.com/guidelines/largest-web-accessibility-lawsuits/ https://www.whoisaccessible.com/guidelines/largest-web-acces...

usr1106 3y ago

Does your research and a/b testing cover users that access the site via a screen reader?

Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
Not really, unfortunately. Very few customers require good UX with a screen reader, and we certainly can't afford the expenses necessary to research it on our own initiative. To be honest, I didn't even think about it until now, but since you mentioned it, I'll ask my design team to do a small-ish research and in the future try to build navigation better accessible for people with impaired vision. I'll hardly be a top-notch experience, but at least we'll try to pick the lowest hanging fruit.
- usr1106 3y ago
  I was not the first to mention it, the submitted article was.
- ddevault 3y ago
  I take pride in making my websites accessible for everyone regardless of the monetary incentive to do so, and to make inaccessible websites simply because you don't think there's money in it is very shameful. Not saying that hamburger menus can or cannot be accessible; just saying that, as an engineer, you really have an obligation to make something that is accessible. This is a basic, non-negotiable requirement for all software.
- cosmotic 3y ago
  Screen reader testing is a risk mitigation strategy. Is the team okay risking ADA law suits?
  - Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
    Living in fascist Russia, ADA law suits are some the least of my concerns. ...
    - usr1106 3y ago
      With your honesty uncovering your HN account would be more dangerous. All the best!
  - c0m 3y ago
    Wow, I didn't realise this was a risk picking up steam. Can only imagine how frustrating the internet was for screen reader users in 2020, which probably spurred this campaign on. Info for the underinformed: https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/behavioral-competencies/global-and-cultural-effectiveness/pages/record-number-of-lawsuits-filed-over-accessibility-for-people-with-disabilities.aspx https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/behavioral-... https://www.whoisaccessible.com/guidelines/largest-web-accessibility-lawsuits/ https://www.whoisaccessible.com/guidelines/largest-web-acces...