10 ms·

Just don’t tip, problem solved. (Obviously you have to tip in restaurants to not be a monster, but everywhere else just don’t do it. And if you want to not ti

by s17n 3y ago

Just don’t tip, problem solved. (Obviously you have to tip in restaurants to not be a monster, but everywhere else just don’t do it. And if you want to not tip waiters… the world needs monsters sometimes.)

pb7 3y ago
Only a matter of time before people think you're a monster for not tipping 20% on your iPhone too.
- George83728 3y ago
  No, it's not like that. The institution of tipping waitresses is baked into the minimum wage laws for waitresses, that's why you're a monster if you refuse to tip them. In all other circumstances it's considered optional in exchange for particularly good service (barbers, taxi drivers). Cashiers working behind a counter get at least the normal minimum wage. It is not considered socially obligatory to tip them. And tipping salesmen is unheard of, the social convention is that salesmen get commissions from their employer, not tips from the customers. Tipping is only considered socially obligatory for waitresses and this hasn't changed.
  - pb7 3y ago
    Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington all have the same minimum wage for both tipped and non-tipped employees. Unsurprisingly, people see you as no less of a monster if you don't tip there.
    - George83728 3y ago
      I think the culture of tipping waitresses persists in those states because these are relatively new laws and don't apply in most parts of the country.
      - frumper 3y ago
        I’m not sure California has ever had a tipped minimum wage that was lower, but not in the past 3 decades at least.
        zamnos 3y ago
        > employers in the state of California are required to pay tipped workers the state's minimum wage. https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_tipsandgratuities.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_tipsandgratuities.htm (which is returning NXDOMAIN right now for some reason) The Federal DOL page says minimum wage for tipped workers in CA is currently $15.50. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
        frumper 3y ago
        $15.50 is the minimum wage for everyone.
  - aspectmin 3y ago
    But that's not really true. Across Canada and the US there is intense social pressure - especially with the person taking the transaction watching one tip. I fell for this for a long time, but gave up after the local corner stores all started adding tips. You can see the annoyed looks, even though - for some I asked if they even see the tips and was told no - it goes to the company. After that I gave up and no longer tip. I also, interestingly, as a side effect, just stopped eating out. I saw that the feds are trying to pass a junk fees law (primarily targeted at resort fees and the like). I fully support this legislation as well. IMHO - people (companies/orgs) have become so greedy of recent, its interesting. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-urges-states-join-government-wide-crackdown-junk-fees-2023-03-08/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-urges-states-jo...
    - George83728 3y ago
      > intense social pressure [...] annoyed looks That's just... not intense social pressure. That's the least intense social pressure I can imagine. Refusing to tip a waitress will very likely subject you to intense social pressure; your own friends and family will likely berate you for it on the spot. They'll tell you that you're an asshole and may refuse to eat with you in the future if you establish a pattern of refusing to tip waitresses. The waitress might even dox you on social media for it, and in the past before social media, they might chase you into the parking lot to loudly tell you that you're an asshole taking food from their children's mouths. The manager might chase you down to ask if something was wrong with the service, or tell you that you aren't welcome back. Refusing to leave money in a tip jar is nothing like that, nobody says a thing. The most you'll ever get is a surly look from the person behind the counter and in all likelihood their poor attitude that day had nothing to do with you. They do work in retail after all, they have a hundred other reasons to be in a bad mood that have nothing to do with you. Follow the golden rule and be courteous to them, but don't let them walk all over you. If they glare at you, just take it in stride; they don't have American culture or customs on their side. Waitresses do.

by s17n 3y ago

pb7 3y ago

Only a matter of time before people think you're a monster for not tipping 20% on your iPhone too.

George83728 3y ago
No, it's not like that. The institution of tipping waitresses is baked into the minimum wage laws for waitresses, that's why you're a monster if you refuse to tip them. In all other circumstances it's considered optional in exchange for particularly good service (barbers, taxi drivers). Cashiers working behind a counter get at least the normal minimum wage. It is not considered socially obligatory to tip them. And tipping salesmen is unheard of, the social convention is that salesmen get commissions from their employer, not tips from the customers. Tipping is only considered socially obligatory for waitresses and this hasn't changed.
- pb7 3y ago
  Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington all have the same minimum wage for both tipped and non-tipped employees. Unsurprisingly, people see you as no less of a monster if you don't tip there.
  - George83728 3y ago
    I think the culture of tipping waitresses persists in those states because these are relatively new laws and don't apply in most parts of the country.
    - frumper 3y ago
      I’m not sure California has ever had a tipped minimum wage that was lower, but not in the past 3 decades at least.
      - zamnos 3y ago
        > employers in the state of California are required to pay tipped workers the state's minimum wage. https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_tipsandgratuities.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_tipsandgratuities.htm (which is returning NXDOMAIN right now for some reason) The Federal DOL page says minimum wage for tipped workers in CA is currently $15.50. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
        frumper 3y ago
        $15.50 is the minimum wage for everyone.
- aspectmin 3y ago
  But that's not really true. Across Canada and the US there is intense social pressure - especially with the person taking the transaction watching one tip. I fell for this for a long time, but gave up after the local corner stores all started adding tips. You can see the annoyed looks, even though - for some I asked if they even see the tips and was told no - it goes to the company. After that I gave up and no longer tip. I also, interestingly, as a side effect, just stopped eating out. I saw that the feds are trying to pass a junk fees law (primarily targeted at resort fees and the like). I fully support this legislation as well. IMHO - people (companies/orgs) have become so greedy of recent, its interesting. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-urges-states-join-government-wide-crackdown-junk-fees-2023-03-08/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-urges-states-jo...
  - George83728 3y ago
    > intense social pressure [...] annoyed looks That's just... not intense social pressure. That's the least intense social pressure I can imagine. Refusing to tip a waitress will very likely subject you to intense social pressure; your own friends and family will likely berate you for it on the spot. They'll tell you that you're an asshole and may refuse to eat with you in the future if you establish a pattern of refusing to tip waitresses. The waitress might even dox you on social media for it, and in the past before social media, they might chase you into the parking lot to loudly tell you that you're an asshole taking food from their children's mouths. The manager might chase you down to ask if something was wrong with the service, or tell you that you aren't welcome back. Refusing to leave money in a tip jar is nothing like that, nobody says a thing. The most you'll ever get is a surly look from the person behind the counter and in all likelihood their poor attitude that day had nothing to do with you. They do work in retail after all, they have a hundred other reasons to be in a bad mood that have nothing to do with you. Follow the golden rule and be courteous to them, but don't let them walk all over you. If they glare at you, just take it in stride; they don't have American culture or customs on their side. Waitresses do.