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I am shocked a labor union is okay with tipping as a mechanism of compensation. Its antithetical to their own goals usually, let alone Apple is not going to tak

I am shocked a labor union is okay with tipping as a mechanism of compensation. Its antithetical to their own goals usually, let alone Apple is not going to take kind to this. Tipping is out of control as it is, at least in the US. Where does it stop I have to wonder. Lets just keep the fight about fair wages, benefits and working conditions first and foremost. This feels like its waiting for public backlash

yanderekko 4y ago
>I am shocked a labor union is okay with tipping as a mechanism of compensation. Its antithetical to their own goals usually, let alone Apple is not going to take kind to this. I am utterly unshocked, as most service workers seem to view tipping culture as providing a free boost to wages - and if so, why should they not fight for this via a union?
monero-xmr 4y ago
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- scrollaway 4y ago
  "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize."
- arghnoname 4y ago
  The person you are replying to said neither of these things. Unions, like most human institutions, have their pros and cons. They generally try to pursue the interests of their members, but their members are human and as humans, sometimes things go sideways or ultimately are self-destructive. Unions on balance do generally improve the lives of their members, but only an idiot would unconditionally approve of everything they do.
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flandish 4y ago
Why are you shocked? Starbucks employees have formed unions and tipping is still allowed. Wanting tipping is a signal that pay is not high enough - you see it here, with the reactions. A deeper look might reveal they could be paid more. Just like Starbucks employees.
- zassy 4y ago
  That’s a bad read. Wanting tips is a sign that they want more money, not that they’re not being paid enough. I knew a tattoo artist that owned his own shop and made well over six digits in a town where the average income is barely 30k and he would bitch all the time about “getting stiffed” on tips whenever he did tattoos.

yanderekko 4y ago

>I am shocked a labor union is okay with tipping as a mechanism of compensation. Its antithetical to their own goals usually, let alone Apple is not going to take kind to this. I am utterly unshocked, as most service workers seem to view tipping culture as providing a free boost to wages - and if so, why should they not fight for this via a union?

monero-xmr 4y ago

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scrollaway 4y ago
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize."
arghnoname 4y ago
The person you are replying to said neither of these things. Unions, like most human institutions, have their pros and cons. They generally try to pursue the interests of their members, but their members are human and as humans, sometimes things go sideways or ultimately are self-destructive. Unions on balance do generally improve the lives of their members, but only an idiot would unconditionally approve of everything they do.

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flandish 4y ago

Why are you shocked? Starbucks employees have formed unions and tipping is still allowed. Wanting tipping is a signal that pay is not high enough - you see it here, with the reactions. A deeper look might reveal they could be paid more. Just like Starbucks employees.

zassy 4y ago
That’s a bad read. Wanting tips is a sign that they want more money, not that they’re not being paid enough. I knew a tattoo artist that owned his own shop and made well over six digits in a town where the average income is barely 30k and he would bitch all the time about “getting stiffed” on tips whenever he did tattoos.