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Fuck that. Tipping culture is ridiculous as it is. No way in hell someone deserves a tip showing you the capabilities of an iphone. Especially not with the curr

Fuck that. Tipping culture is ridiculous as it is. No way in hell someone deserves a tip showing you the capabilities of an iphone. Especially not with the current POS systems that ask for a minimum of 20%.

polishdude20 3y ago
Yeah isn't it literally your basic minimum job requirement to be showing people the capabilities of an iphone? You want me to buy your product, YOU show me why I should want it.
- hn_throawlles 3y ago
  the point is who pays for this 'service' work? Apple? the corporation designing the devices being potentially bought or you? the potential customer paying with a tip to the store's employee??
  - ezconnect 3y ago
    Apple doesn't include manuals for their devices like the old days. They are left to be discovered by users on their own. Apple should be the one paying for this 'service' work because they don't include manuals.
  - polishdude20 3y ago
    Apple. Definitely Apple.
  - ASalazarMX 3y ago
    This may be controversial, but I think the company who hired the salesmen/employees should pay them.
s17n 3y ago
Just don’t tip, problem solved. (Obviously you have to tip in restaurants to not be a monster, but everywhere else just don’t do it. And if you want to not tip waiters… the world needs monsters sometimes.)
- pb7 3y ago
  Only a matter of time before people think you're a monster for not tipping 20% on your iPhone too.
  - George83728 3y ago
    No, it's not like that. The institution of tipping waitresses is baked into the minimum wage laws for waitresses, that's why you're a monster if you refuse to tip them. In all other circumstances it's considered optional in exchange for particularly good service (barbers, taxi drivers). Cashiers working behind a counter get at least the normal minimum wage. It is not considered socially obligatory to tip them. And tipping salesmen is unheard of, the social convention is that salesmen get commissions from their employer, not tips from the customers. Tipping is only considered socially obligatory for waitresses and this hasn't changed.
    - pb7 3y ago
      Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington all have the same minimum wage for both tipped and non-tipped employees. Unsurprisingly, people see you as no less of a monster if you don't tip there.
      - George83728 3y ago
        I think the culture of tipping waitresses persists in those states because these are relatively new laws and don't apply in most parts of the country.
        frumper 3y ago
        I’m not sure California has ever had a tipped minimum wage that was lower, but not in the past 3 decades at least.
        zamnos 3y ago
George83728 3y ago
> the current POS systems that ask for a minimum of 20%. My rule is to only ever tip with cash and only then directly into the hands of the worker. Tipping through a computer system is a scam, the business owner almost certainly takes most of it. If you're paying with a credit card, X out the tip field and leave cash instead. And of course, never tip in cases where it isn't customary to tip. Waitresses, bartenders, barbers and taxi drivers. That's about it. Tipping into tip jars is never customary, don't do it. Never tip at a starbucks or a business where you get your own food at the counter. And you sure as hell should never tip a salesman, these Apple store workers have lost the plot.
- jareds 3y ago
  Do we know if there serious about this? I'd hope the union negotiators would realize there was likely to be a backlash to this and put out this request as a bargaining point they won't fight very hard for.
  - George83728 3y ago
    It's so far beyond the pale, I earnestly believe they've likely been set up to look ridiculous. They've probably been fed this horrible idea by Apple, or a covert union buster (Pinkertons, etc) hired by Apple. To ask for tips makes the union look completely unreasonable and out of touch, which is good for Apple. If they were doing as you say, asking for something they're unlikely to get as a negotiation tactic, they should have asked for commissions. Salesmen getting commissions would be perceived as completely reasonable. It degrade the customer experience by making the salesmen pushier, but commission for salesmen is totally conventional while tips for salesmen is pants-on-head dumb and bizarre.

polishdude20 3y ago

Yeah isn't it literally your basic minimum job requirement to be showing people the capabilities of an iphone? You want me to buy your product, YOU show me why I should want it.

hn_throawlles 3y ago
the point is who pays for this 'service' work? Apple? the corporation designing the devices being potentially bought or you? the potential customer paying with a tip to the store's employee??
- ezconnect 3y ago
  Apple doesn't include manuals for their devices like the old days. They are left to be discovered by users on their own. Apple should be the one paying for this 'service' work because they don't include manuals.
- polishdude20 3y ago
  Apple. Definitely Apple.
- ASalazarMX 3y ago
  This may be controversial, but I think the company who hired the salesmen/employees should pay them.

s17n 3y ago

Just don’t tip, problem solved. (Obviously you have to tip in restaurants to not be a monster, but everywhere else just don’t do it. And if you want to not tip waiters… the world needs monsters sometimes.)

pb7 3y ago
Only a matter of time before people think you're a monster for not tipping 20% on your iPhone too.
- George83728 3y ago
  No, it's not like that. The institution of tipping waitresses is baked into the minimum wage laws for waitresses, that's why you're a monster if you refuse to tip them. In all other circumstances it's considered optional in exchange for particularly good service (barbers, taxi drivers). Cashiers working behind a counter get at least the normal minimum wage. It is not considered socially obligatory to tip them. And tipping salesmen is unheard of, the social convention is that salesmen get commissions from their employer, not tips from the customers. Tipping is only considered socially obligatory for waitresses and this hasn't changed.
  - pb7 3y ago
    Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington all have the same minimum wage for both tipped and non-tipped employees. Unsurprisingly, people see you as no less of a monster if you don't tip there.
    - George83728 3y ago
      I think the culture of tipping waitresses persists in those states because these are relatively new laws and don't apply in most parts of the country.
      - frumper 3y ago
        I’m not sure California has ever had a tipped minimum wage that was lower, but not in the past 3 decades at least.
        zamnos 3y ago

George83728 3y ago

> the current POS systems that ask for a minimum of 20%. My rule is to only ever tip with cash and only then directly into the hands of the worker. Tipping through a computer system is a scam, the business owner almost certainly takes most of it. If you're paying with a credit card, X out the tip field and leave cash instead. And of course, never tip in cases where it isn't customary to tip. Waitresses, bartenders, barbers and taxi drivers. That's about it. Tipping into tip jars is never customary, don't do it. Never tip at a starbucks or a business where you get your own food at the counter. And you sure as hell should never tip a salesman, these Apple store workers have lost the plot.

jareds 3y ago
Do we know if there serious about this? I'd hope the union negotiators would realize there was likely to be a backlash to this and put out this request as a bargaining point they won't fight very hard for.
- George83728 3y ago
  It's so far beyond the pale, I earnestly believe they've likely been set up to look ridiculous. They've probably been fed this horrible idea by Apple, or a covert union buster (Pinkertons, etc) hired by Apple. To ask for tips makes the union look completely unreasonable and out of touch, which is good for Apple. If they were doing as you say, asking for something they're unlikely to get as a negotiation tactic, they should have asked for commissions. Salesmen getting commissions would be perceived as completely reasonable. It degrade the customer experience by making the salesmen pushier, but commission for salesmen is totally conventional while tips for salesmen is pants-on-head dumb and bizarre.