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Your just spouting ArianeGroup propaganda. They can't win technically so they have to convince the ignorant and politicians that its not their fault. AraineGro

Your just spouting ArianeGroup propaganda. They can't win technically so they have to convince the ignorant and politicians that its not their fault. AraineGroup spend like 5 years screaming about unfair competition and at some point SpaceX was sick of it and returned the favor [2]. But SpaceX never really cared much because they hardly see ArianeGroup as competition. They were just sick of their insesent public statements and lies that they were spouting about SpaceX. There is a reason ArianeGroup never tried to bring any of this before WTO, because they knew they would lose and had no ground to stand on. > I feel like EU's industry is being held back on purpose Yes by incompetent ArianeGroup monopoly. > Yet SpaceX benefits lot of subsidies from the US government Government funding for Falcon 9, 300M$. Government funding for Ariane 6 5B$. How unfair of the US. SpaceX isn't 'eyeing' to replace Russian rockets. They have been doing that for decades, first with Proton. Now with Soyuz. OneWeb launches have already flown on SpaceX multiple times and a few other will follow.

WhereIsTheTruth 4y ago
Propaganda? eh c'mon let's not bring conspiracy theories > Yes by incompetent ArianeGroup monopoly. Incompetent? what kind of propaganda is that? Shall i remind you who was scared to launch James Webb telescope? and who successfully did? What about Artemis? NASA ain't candid either :) Why would the US ban Chinese 5G, they don't have it themselves? Sometimes it is about maintaining sovereignty and building your own industry You can't just rely on foreigners, look what happens for the green transition, both the EU/US are stuck Falcon 9? what about everything else? you are being disingenuous on purpose Another one: https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/will-the-ukraine-war-force-esa-to-pass-on-arianespace-use-spacex/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/will-the-ukraine-war... Whos spreading propaganda?
- panick21_ 4y ago
  > Propaganda? eh c'mon let's not bring conspiracy theories You can call if 'PR' if you want to make yourself feel better. But its the same thing. Its representatives of a company making lots of false public statements. To mislead people who don't know better. > Shall i remind you who was scared to launch James Webb telescope? LITERALLY NOBODY. All this comment does is reveal that you don't know anything about the space industry. > and who successfully did? Funding the launch was part of ESA investment into the James Webb project. NASA always partnered with other countries on big projects and they do different parts. In the case of James Webb Europe was to provide launch and therefore Europe picked the launch vehicle, obviously the picked Ariane 5. NASA has certification for launch vehicles, and there are different levels. To launch the most expensive science mission, such as James Webb, you need the highest level of certification NASA has. When a launch vehicle was started to be planned for both Atlas 5, Delta 4 and Delta 4 Heavy had the necessary certification. I assume only D4H would have the required power (but I'm not certain on that). So had launch not been assigned to ESA, James Webb would have been launched on Delta 4 Heavy. And ULA would of course not have been 'afraid' to launch it, as they have launched most major NASA missions of the last couple decades. Falcon 9 has achieved this same certification, I don't remember when exactly, late 2010s. So SpaceX, if something like James Webb would be competing for that missions. In fact currently its the only rocket that is not sold out with that certification. Falcon Heavy also has this certification and will launch things like Europa Clipper. The idea that SpaceX or ULA were to 'afraid' is so moronically dumb that I can't even fathom where you got this absurd idea from. After that the rest of your post is just whataboutism that has nothing to with my correction to your original comment. > Whos spreading propaganda? Not me, almost everything I said is plain fact. The only thing that is questionable is if 'incompetent' is the right word to describe ArianeGroup. Maybe that word is to harsh, replace that word with 'noncompetitive'.
  - filereaper 4y ago
    Just wanted to say, I appreciate your responses to various threads in this article.

WhereIsTheTruth 4y ago

Propaganda? eh c'mon let's not bring conspiracy theories > Yes by incompetent ArianeGroup monopoly. Incompetent? what kind of propaganda is that? Shall i remind you who was scared to launch James Webb telescope? and who successfully did? What about Artemis? NASA ain't candid either :) Why would the US ban Chinese 5G, they don't have it themselves? Sometimes it is about maintaining sovereignty and building your own industry You can't just rely on foreigners, look what happens for the green transition, both the EU/US are stuck Falcon 9? what about everything else? you are being disingenuous on purpose Another one: https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/will-the-ukraine-war-force-esa-to-pass-on-arianespace-use-spacex/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/will-the-ukraine-war... Whos spreading propaganda?

panick21_ 4y ago
> Propaganda? eh c'mon let's not bring conspiracy theories You can call if 'PR' if you want to make yourself feel better. But its the same thing. Its representatives of a company making lots of false public statements. To mislead people who don't know better. > Shall i remind you who was scared to launch James Webb telescope? LITERALLY NOBODY. All this comment does is reveal that you don't know anything about the space industry. > and who successfully did? Funding the launch was part of ESA investment into the James Webb project. NASA always partnered with other countries on big projects and they do different parts. In the case of James Webb Europe was to provide launch and therefore Europe picked the launch vehicle, obviously the picked Ariane 5. NASA has certification for launch vehicles, and there are different levels. To launch the most expensive science mission, such as James Webb, you need the highest level of certification NASA has. When a launch vehicle was started to be planned for both Atlas 5, Delta 4 and Delta 4 Heavy had the necessary certification. I assume only D4H would have the required power (but I'm not certain on that). So had launch not been assigned to ESA, James Webb would have been launched on Delta 4 Heavy. And ULA would of course not have been 'afraid' to launch it, as they have launched most major NASA missions of the last couple decades. Falcon 9 has achieved this same certification, I don't remember when exactly, late 2010s. So SpaceX, if something like James Webb would be competing for that missions. In fact currently its the only rocket that is not sold out with that certification. Falcon Heavy also has this certification and will launch things like Europa Clipper. The idea that SpaceX or ULA were to 'afraid' is so moronically dumb that I can't even fathom where you got this absurd idea from. After that the rest of your post is just whataboutism that has nothing to with my correction to your original comment. > Whos spreading propaganda? Not me, almost everything I said is plain fact. The only thing that is questionable is if 'incompetent' is the right word to describe ArianeGroup. Maybe that word is to harsh, replace that word with 'noncompetitive'.
- filereaper 4y ago
  Just wanted to say, I appreciate your responses to various threads in this article.