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Yeah, feminism has gone completely insane. At the moment of marriage all assets are divided equally in most countries, regardless of when they were obtained. An

by _vbnz 3y ago

Yeah, feminism has gone completely insane. At the moment of marriage all assets are divided equally in most countries, regardless of when they were obtained. And in many countries a man can even be liable for child support if his wife cheats on him. That said a lot of countries actually have lower taxes for married couples like Germany, or separate it entirely like in Sweden.

jemmyw 3y ago
> a man can even be liable for child support if his wife cheats on him. I mean, yeah you should support your offspring regardless of what your wife does.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
>At the moment of marriage all assets are divided equally in most countries, regardless of when they were obtained. Is this correct for European countries, UK, Australia, NZ, or Canada? I have never heard of it for any state in the US. Typically, everything before the marriage contract is signed is not part of the community property in the marriage. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/communityproperty.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/communityproperty.asp
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure this is accurate in Canada. Actually it's slightly worse because asset split might skew more towards the person with lesser income to make it more equitable. So it's entirely possible you could be the primary earner for a marriage and then when the divorce happens you actually leave with less than half of what you provided. Happened to my Dad.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
Child support is an obligation to the child, the transgressions of the other parent are not a factor in it. It's not punishment it's support.
- Clubber 3y ago
  Sure, but in the US the courts almost always gives custody to the mother, and then the father only gets to see his kids on weekends or less, and he has to pay for the privilege in forms of said support.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    This isn't remotely true. Custody tends towards mothers because men often don't pursue joint custody. In cases where they do legally pursue it, they get it more often than not. And again you're mistaking the fundamental nature and intention of child support. It's not a fee for the privilege of seeing your child. A parent can pay less child support by having the child more. Family court judges are fairly progressive and like this. Their explicit target is 50/50 joint custody in cases that allow for it. Men are simply less often willing to prioritize eg daily school transportation requirements vs their job.
    - Clubber 3y ago
      https://legaljobs.io/blog/child-custody-statistics/#:~:text=A%3A,keeps%20increasing%20by%20the%20year https://legaljobs.io/blog/child-custody-statistics/#:~:text=.... 1. In 51% of child custody cases, both parents agree for the mother to be the custodial parent. 6. 79.9% of custodial parents in the United States were mothers. The math doesn't add up, assuming this is correct. >Their explicit target is 50/50 joint custody in cases that allow for it. I just discovered this was the case in my state at least. This is good to hear. In the 80s when I was growing up, it wasn't; it was more like I described earlier. In the past, women were the most likely to win a custody battle because they were considered the primary caregivers of their children, as most fathers spent the most time outside the household because of their work schedules. Although the current share of custodial mothers is still bigger than that of custodial fathers, recent divorce child custody statistics tell us that the number of custodial fathers has soared over the past few years.
- coldtea 3y ago
  The child should be supported by a minimum livable amount (part of its rent + food + education + expenses). Instead there are crazy amounts based on the lifestyle the spouse was used to. Funnily, if you were rich and go broke, you don't get to ask welfare or an employee to give you a salary based on the "lifestyle you were used to".
RIMR 3y ago
If you have significant assets and marry someone without a prenuptial agreement you don't get to blame feminism for your lack of due dilligence. The default marriage contract is 50/50 of everything, and if you want different terms you need to hire a lawyer before you sign the contract.
chowells 3y ago
Jesus Christ. Feminism is not the idea that women are weak and need donations from men to survive. Laws set up based on that assumption are very much not feminist.
ROTMetro 3y ago
Huh? I live in a super red state in the USA. All assets you come into the marriage with remain solely yours. Anything you created together rightfully gets split as you were partners at that point, but inherited assets aren't counted in that (weren't created together). We don't have any sort of required alimony. You have to take one class to get divorced (but don't have to take it together) one time that is basically a 'think this through' to prevent a heat of the moment mistake in getting divorced. Seems correct and fair to me. Again, this is one of the redder states in the country. But we do have some pretty crazy common law marriage laws (the state's gotta make sure people aren't living in sin) though I don't know how those are enforced.

by _vbnz 3y ago

jemmyw 3y ago

> a man can even be liable for child support if his wife cheats on him. I mean, yeah you should support your offspring regardless of what your wife does.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

>At the moment of marriage all assets are divided equally in most countries, regardless of when they were obtained. Is this correct for European countries, UK, Australia, NZ, or Canada? I have never heard of it for any state in the US. Typically, everything before the marriage contract is signed is not part of the community property in the marriage. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/communityproperty.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/communityproperty.asp

bluefirebrand 3y ago
I'm pretty sure this is accurate in Canada. Actually it's slightly worse because asset split might skew more towards the person with lesser income to make it more equitable. So it's entirely possible you could be the primary earner for a marriage and then when the divorce happens you actually leave with less than half of what you provided. Happened to my Dad.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

Child support is an obligation to the child, the transgressions of the other parent are not a factor in it. It's not punishment it's support.

Clubber 3y ago
Sure, but in the US the courts almost always gives custody to the mother, and then the father only gets to see his kids on weekends or less, and he has to pay for the privilege in forms of said support.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  This isn't remotely true. Custody tends towards mothers because men often don't pursue joint custody. In cases where they do legally pursue it, they get it more often than not. And again you're mistaking the fundamental nature and intention of child support. It's not a fee for the privilege of seeing your child. A parent can pay less child support by having the child more. Family court judges are fairly progressive and like this. Their explicit target is 50/50 joint custody in cases that allow for it. Men are simply less often willing to prioritize eg daily school transportation requirements vs their job.
  - Clubber 3y ago
    https://legaljobs.io/blog/child-custody-statistics/#:~:text=A%3A,keeps%20increasing%20by%20the%20year https://legaljobs.io/blog/child-custody-statistics/#:~:text=.... 1. In 51% of child custody cases, both parents agree for the mother to be the custodial parent. 6. 79.9% of custodial parents in the United States were mothers. The math doesn't add up, assuming this is correct. >Their explicit target is 50/50 joint custody in cases that allow for it. I just discovered this was the case in my state at least. This is good to hear. In the 80s when I was growing up, it wasn't; it was more like I described earlier. In the past, women were the most likely to win a custody battle because they were considered the primary caregivers of their children, as most fathers spent the most time outside the household because of their work schedules. Although the current share of custodial mothers is still bigger than that of custodial fathers, recent divorce child custody statistics tell us that the number of custodial fathers has soared over the past few years.
coldtea 3y ago
The child should be supported by a minimum livable amount (part of its rent + food + education + expenses). Instead there are crazy amounts based on the lifestyle the spouse was used to. Funnily, if you were rich and go broke, you don't get to ask welfare or an employee to give you a salary based on the "lifestyle you were used to".

RIMR 3y ago

If you have significant assets and marry someone without a prenuptial agreement you don't get to blame feminism for your lack of due dilligence. The default marriage contract is 50/50 of everything, and if you want different terms you need to hire a lawyer before you sign the contract.

chowells 3y ago

Jesus Christ. Feminism is not the idea that women are weak and need donations from men to survive. Laws set up based on that assumption are very much not feminist.

ROTMetro 3y ago

Huh? I live in a super red state in the USA. All assets you come into the marriage with remain solely yours. Anything you created together rightfully gets split as you were partners at that point, but inherited assets aren't counted in that (weren't created together). We don't have any sort of required alimony. You have to take one class to get divorced (but don't have to take it together) one time that is basically a 'think this through' to prevent a heat of the moment mistake in getting divorced. Seems correct and fair to me. Again, this is one of the redder states in the country. But we do have some pretty crazy common law marriage laws (the state's gotta make sure people aren't living in sin) though I don't know how those are enforced.