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I find nothing weird about a party boy like Gavin McInnes founding a drug culture mag to hang out in the scene, and then aging into a fascie impresario. That'

by michael1999 3y ago

I find nothing weird about a party boy like Gavin McInnes founding a drug culture mag to hang out in the scene, and then aging into a fascie impresario. That's a whole trope.

TechBro8615 3y ago
I always saw Vice as an edgy left wing liberal magazine, whereas the Proud Boys are "far right."
- michael1999 3y ago
  A better peer comparison would be The eXile. And look and what doofuses those two aged into.
- GenerocUsername 3y ago
  Horse shoe theory.
- michael1999 3y ago
  I guess you came in for the later version of vice.com. Vice was more sybaritic than political. It started as a Montreal punk zine (on newsprint!) with politics I'd call gen-x party-art-anarchist more than anything easily mapped to US left/right axes. You'll also note there were lots of libertarians voting for Trump, whose libertarianism is focused on drugs and the age of consent. It's a big tent, and there are lots of fascie hipsters. Just look at their haircuts! But people change as they age, and partying for the sake of partying is a gruelling habit. I love this line: "In their pitch to me, Shane literally said, ‘I’m tired of doing blow on naked models. I want to do something that matters,’ ” says Kate Albright-Hanna, a filmmaker who joined the company in 2009 after working on the Obama campaign." [0] Smith would have been freshly 40, and ready to do something else with his little empire. The founders have been trying to get out, and I guess it's now owned by the Murdochs and Disney? That's probably the incarnation you know. [0] - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-shane-smith.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-sh...
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > left wing liberal Liberals aren’t (outside of maybe the 18th century, when the two concepts had a somrwhat common origin story) anything like left-wing, and vice versa.

I find nothing weird about a party boy like Gavin McInnes founding a drug culture mag to hang out in the scene, and then aging into a fascie impresario. That's a whole trope.

TechBro8615 3y ago

I always saw Vice as an edgy left wing liberal magazine, whereas the Proud Boys are "far right."

michael1999 3y ago
A better peer comparison would be The eXile. And look and what doofuses those two aged into.
GenerocUsername 3y ago
Horse shoe theory.
michael1999 3y ago
I guess you came in for the later version of vice.com. Vice was more sybaritic than political. It started as a Montreal punk zine (on newsprint!) with politics I'd call gen-x party-art-anarchist more than anything easily mapped to US left/right axes. You'll also note there were lots of libertarians voting for Trump, whose libertarianism is focused on drugs and the age of consent. It's a big tent, and there are lots of fascie hipsters. Just look at their haircuts! But people change as they age, and partying for the sake of partying is a gruelling habit. I love this line: "In their pitch to me, Shane literally said, ‘I’m tired of doing blow on naked models. I want to do something that matters,’ ” says Kate Albright-Hanna, a filmmaker who joined the company in 2009 after working on the Obama campaign." [0] Smith would have been freshly 40, and ready to do something else with his little empire. The founders have been trying to get out, and I guess it's now owned by the Murdochs and Disney? That's probably the incarnation you know. [0] - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-shane-smith.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-sh...
dragonwriter 3y ago
> left wing liberal Liberals aren’t (outside of maybe the 18th century, when the two concepts had a somrwhat common origin story) anything like left-wing, and vice versa.