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Amen. Meanwhile, folks are crowing about how great the vibe is on the platform, and how welcoming it is to victimized communities. It's, what, 60,000 people?

Amen. Meanwhile, folks are crowing about how great the vibe is on the platform, and how welcoming it is to victimized communities. It's, what, 60,000 people? All invite-only? With a campaign specifically targeting Twitter power-users? And very actively curated to push out troublemakers? Yeah, of course the vibe is good. Now. Let's see what it's like when there's a few million folks on the platform with a small but vocal percentage actively engaging in harassment. Edit to add: Now, if they do live up to the hype--if they succeed in building an open, federated, protocol-first social platform that somehow also manages to bolt on opt-in algorithmic curation, moderation, and so forth--then that's great! But they're a private company, operating a very small platform right now, so it's simply too early to tell if they'll manage to live up to their promises.

Pxtl 3y ago
Yes. Moderation is a hard problem. "Black Twitter" power-users complained about the racism on the incredibly anodyne Mastodon because Mastodon being volunteer and not-for-profit run, did not hire an army of 3rd-world moderators to handle the problem and still needs volunteer admins to take care of bigots, spammers, and other problem-users. It basically has broken down that the nerds and idealists have moved to Mastodon, the twitter elite have gone to BlueSky, the Bitcoin bros have gone to Nostr, and the people who have to use Twitter professionally have stayed with the bigots and conspiracy-theorists that are taking over Twitter.
- BaseballPhysics 3y ago
  And honestly, if that's the way it shakes out, I'd be fine with that. Tech is obsessed with winner-takes-all solutions thanks to a couple decades of "blitzscaling" bullshit. But there's no reason people can't fan out and find communities on a range of platforms. Even better, if Bluesky and Nostr live up to their promise of open protocols, then maybe we can look forward to some level of interoperability so people don't have to choose one place, but rather than easily connect with communities on many different platforms. But, speaking for myself, I'm not putting my social eggs in a private corporation's basket until they've proven they'll truly be as open as they say. I've done that and I'm done with that.
- BeFlatXIII 3y ago
  > nerds and idealists have moved to Mastodon, the twitter elite have gone to BlueSky, the Bitcoin bros have gone to Nostr, and the people who have to use Twitter professionally have stayed with the bigots and conspiracy-theorists that are taking over Twitter …and everyone considers themselves better off without all those other groups shitting up the place. I agree with the other commenter saying that having everyone in the same room is overhyped.
  - JieJie 3y ago
    Literally the only thing I care about isn't being addressed and that is news networks posting about social media drama, and that isn't a platform problem, but a news network problem. People deserve to have a fun place to play on the internet, but the less the rest of us know about what goes on there, the better.
- dahwolf 3y ago
  The "Black Twitter" on Mastodon story needs a nuance. It's not them receiving racist remarks on Mastodon (although surely that might happen too), it's mostly about tone policing. Mastodon's culture is safetysm, toxic positivity, put a content warning on everything. Some experience that as discouraging or even erasure.

Pxtl 3y ago

Yes. Moderation is a hard problem. "Black Twitter" power-users complained about the racism on the incredibly anodyne Mastodon because Mastodon being volunteer and not-for-profit run, did not hire an army of 3rd-world moderators to handle the problem and still needs volunteer admins to take care of bigots, spammers, and other problem-users. It basically has broken down that the nerds and idealists have moved to Mastodon, the twitter elite have gone to BlueSky, the Bitcoin bros have gone to Nostr, and the people who have to use Twitter professionally have stayed with the bigots and conspiracy-theorists that are taking over Twitter.

BaseballPhysics 3y ago
And honestly, if that's the way it shakes out, I'd be fine with that. Tech is obsessed with winner-takes-all solutions thanks to a couple decades of "blitzscaling" bullshit. But there's no reason people can't fan out and find communities on a range of platforms. Even better, if Bluesky and Nostr live up to their promise of open protocols, then maybe we can look forward to some level of interoperability so people don't have to choose one place, but rather than easily connect with communities on many different platforms. But, speaking for myself, I'm not putting my social eggs in a private corporation's basket until they've proven they'll truly be as open as they say. I've done that and I'm done with that.
BeFlatXIII 3y ago
> nerds and idealists have moved to Mastodon, the twitter elite have gone to BlueSky, the Bitcoin bros have gone to Nostr, and the people who have to use Twitter professionally have stayed with the bigots and conspiracy-theorists that are taking over Twitter …and everyone considers themselves better off without all those other groups shitting up the place. I agree with the other commenter saying that having everyone in the same room is overhyped.
- JieJie 3y ago
  Literally the only thing I care about isn't being addressed and that is news networks posting about social media drama, and that isn't a platform problem, but a news network problem. People deserve to have a fun place to play on the internet, but the less the rest of us know about what goes on there, the better.
dahwolf 3y ago
The "Black Twitter" on Mastodon story needs a nuance. It's not them receiving racist remarks on Mastodon (although surely that might happen too), it's mostly about tone policing. Mastodon's culture is safetysm, toxic positivity, put a content warning on everything. Some experience that as discouraging or even erasure.