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Lol. "regain" Vice started as a sketchy drug-party style mag, with sketchy advertisers like American Apparel running lolicon spreads. That they became an imp

by michael1999 3y ago

Lol. "regain" Vice started as a sketchy drug-party style mag, with sketchy advertisers like American Apparel running lolicon spreads. That they became an important investigative news outlet is just wild, and a damning indictment of the post-Regan media regime.

TechBro8615 3y ago
The weirdest Vice factoid is that it shares a founder with the Proud Boys. Also, obligatory "how Vice comes up with article ideas:" https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7fUQXskvA https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7fUQXskvA
- michael1999 3y ago
  I find nothing weird about a party boy like Gavin McInnes founding a drug culture mag to hang out in the scene, and then aging into a fascie impresario. That's a whole trope.
  - TechBro8615 3y ago
    I always saw Vice as an edgy left wing liberal magazine, whereas the Proud Boys are "far right."
    - michael1999 3y ago
      A better peer comparison would be The eXile. And look and what doofuses those two aged into.
    - GenerocUsername 3y ago
      Horse shoe theory.
    - michael1999 3y ago
      I guess you came in for the later version of vice.com. Vice was more sybaritic than political. It started as a Montreal punk zine (on newsprint!) with politics I'd call gen-x party-art-anarchist more than anything easily mapped to US left/right axes. You'll also note there were lots of libertarians voting for Trump, whose libertarianism is focused on drugs and the age of consent. It's a big tent, and there are lots of fascie hipsters. Just look at their haircuts! But people change as they age, and partying for the sake of partying is a gruelling habit. I love this line: "In their pitch to me, Shane literally said, ‘I’m tired of doing blow on naked models. I want to do something that matters,’ ” says Kate Albright-Hanna, a filmmaker who joined the company in 2009 after working on the Obama campaign." [0] Smith would have been freshly 40, and ready to do something else with his little empire. The founders have been trying to get out, and I guess it's now owned by the Murdochs and Disney? That's probably the incarnation you know. [0] - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-shane-smith.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-sh...
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > left wing liberal Liberals aren’t (outside of maybe the 18th century, when the two concepts had a somrwhat common origin story) anything like left-wing, and vice versa.
- lotsoweiners 3y ago
  Reminds me of how Family Guy writes their episodes: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qTC9j0QpCBM https://youtube.com/watch?v=qTC9j0QpCBM
FormerBandmate 3y ago
American Apparel was a clothes store. It’s not even remotely sketchy the way you’re implying
- michael1999 3y ago
  The _stores_ may have been mall outlets selling pedestrian jersey knits, but the _advertising_ consisted of the founder (another skeezy gen-x money boy from Montréal) "encouraging" his workers to take their clothing off and sleep with him while he took photos. I'm quite sure any American Apparel/Vice promo parties were super fun as well as sketchy-druggy-pedo-adjacent affairs. I'm not gonna google your lolicon for you, but start with "american apparel scandal ads" and fill your boots.
- klyrs 3y ago
  They were famous for ads that looked like softcore porn, featuring very young-looking models. Calling that lolicon is fair enough.

TechBro8615 3y ago

The weirdest Vice factoid is that it shares a founder with the Proud Boys. Also, obligatory "how Vice comes up with article ideas:" https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7fUQXskvA https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7fUQXskvA

michael1999 3y ago
I find nothing weird about a party boy like Gavin McInnes founding a drug culture mag to hang out in the scene, and then aging into a fascie impresario. That's a whole trope.
- TechBro8615 3y ago
  I always saw Vice as an edgy left wing liberal magazine, whereas the Proud Boys are "far right."
  - michael1999 3y ago
    A better peer comparison would be The eXile. And look and what doofuses those two aged into.
  - GenerocUsername 3y ago
    Horse shoe theory.
  - michael1999 3y ago
    I guess you came in for the later version of vice.com. Vice was more sybaritic than political. It started as a Montreal punk zine (on newsprint!) with politics I'd call gen-x party-art-anarchist more than anything easily mapped to US left/right axes. You'll also note there were lots of libertarians voting for Trump, whose libertarianism is focused on drugs and the age of consent. It's a big tent, and there are lots of fascie hipsters. Just look at their haircuts! But people change as they age, and partying for the sake of partying is a gruelling habit. I love this line: "In their pitch to me, Shane literally said, ‘I’m tired of doing blow on naked models. I want to do something that matters,’ ” says Kate Albright-Hanna, a filmmaker who joined the company in 2009 after working on the Obama campaign." [0] Smith would have been freshly 40, and ready to do something else with his little empire. The founders have been trying to get out, and I guess it's now owned by the Murdochs and Disney? That's probably the incarnation you know. [0] - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-shane-smith.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-sh...
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > left wing liberal Liberals aren’t (outside of maybe the 18th century, when the two concepts had a somrwhat common origin story) anything like left-wing, and vice versa.
lotsoweiners 3y ago
Reminds me of how Family Guy writes their episodes: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qTC9j0QpCBM https://youtube.com/watch?v=qTC9j0QpCBM

FormerBandmate 3y ago

American Apparel was a clothes store. It’s not even remotely sketchy the way you’re implying

michael1999 3y ago
The _stores_ may have been mall outlets selling pedestrian jersey knits, but the _advertising_ consisted of the founder (another skeezy gen-x money boy from Montréal) "encouraging" his workers to take their clothing off and sleep with him while he took photos. I'm quite sure any American Apparel/Vice promo parties were super fun as well as sketchy-druggy-pedo-adjacent affairs. I'm not gonna google your lolicon for you, but start with "american apparel scandal ads" and fill your boots.
klyrs 3y ago
They were famous for ads that looked like softcore porn, featuring very young-looking models. Calling that lolicon is fair enough.