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That's just it, for decades the "new" version of a rocket only had very small incremental changes and didn't raise the bar much at all. That's how commercial ae

by grecy 4y ago

That's just it, for decades the "new" version of a rocket only had very small incremental changes and didn't raise the bar much at all. That's how commercial aerospace has worked for a very long time. Much like the Toyota Camry which has been the best selling sedan in the US every single year since 2000.[1] It gets a slight incremental change each year, but no ground-breaking changes or utterly re-thinking what a car is. Guess what sedan is now out-selling all other sedans? [2] (Hint: not the one that has been getting incremental updates since well before 2000) [1] https://alansfactoryoutlet.com/the-best-selling-car-model-every-year-since-1978-in-the-united-states/ https://alansfactoryoutlet.com/the-best-selling-car-model-ev... [2] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

jorvi 4y ago
That’s a pretty disingenuous comparison. It’s like taking a single Android manufacturer’s sales, putting it up against the iPhone and saying “look how hard the iPhones outsell it!”. Once we stack all the non-Tesla sedans together, it paints a much different picture probably. And that’s not mentioning that companies get big subsidies for electrification, and Tesla purchases themselves get credits on top of that (although I am unfamiliar if they stack). I think Teslas are pretty great and Tesla as a company likely pushed electrification ahead by a decade or so, but people seriously need to stop drinking the kool-aid.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  ICEs probably have larger subsidies if we look at the entire life cycle, externalized healthcare costs, fissile fuel infrastructure, etc.
zardo 4y ago
> Guess what sedan is now out-selling all other sedans? [2] Have they changed the article? It's the Toyota Camry. The better selling vehicles are trucks and SUV/CUVs.
- kibwen 4y ago
  The article even says "We think hell will freeze over before the Toyota Camry relinquishes its spot as the bestselling non-SUV in the country. It maintained its place with a 7 percent increase over last year."
TulliusCicero 4y ago
> (Hint: not the one that has been getting incremental updates since well before 2000) According to your article that's exactly what it is. Did you mean to link something else?
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by grecy 4y ago

jorvi 4y ago

That’s a pretty disingenuous comparison. It’s like taking a single Android manufacturer’s sales, putting it up against the iPhone and saying “look how hard the iPhones outsell it!”. Once we stack all the non-Tesla sedans together, it paints a much different picture probably. And that’s not mentioning that companies get big subsidies for electrification, and Tesla purchases themselves get credits on top of that (although I am unfamiliar if they stack). I think Teslas are pretty great and Tesla as a company likely pushed electrification ahead by a decade or so, but people seriously need to stop drinking the kool-aid.

mensetmanusman 4y ago
ICEs probably have larger subsidies if we look at the entire life cycle, externalized healthcare costs, fissile fuel infrastructure, etc.

zardo 4y ago

> Guess what sedan is now out-selling all other sedans? [2] Have they changed the article? It's the Toyota Camry. The better selling vehicles are trucks and SUV/CUVs.

kibwen 4y ago
The article even says "We think hell will freeze over before the Toyota Camry relinquishes its spot as the bestselling non-SUV in the country. It maintained its place with a 7 percent increase over last year."

TulliusCicero 4y ago

> (Hint: not the one that has been getting incremental updates since well before 2000) According to your article that's exactly what it is. Did you mean to link something else?

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