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> the US incarcerates more people than China does Yes, but mostly because of race, not politics. (Not that that's any better, but the underlying dynamic reall

by lisper 4y ago

> the US incarcerates more people than China does Yes, but mostly because of race, not politics. (Not that that's any better, but the underlying dynamic really is different.)

0000011111 4y ago
Right the book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness is a good primer for this concept. https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwi4l5yoyd7-AhWG8-MHHQi2C6wYABAAGgJ5bQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESbeD2ASZz_7bsWiQ_5BFCAZ2wuqI0RRiv3bCQSTH4g8Pmbu2POusB9taySfFPoJNdBeMyBf2MsL7As_mYLopBuljac-mX_2Cei5VdRFe9jTZr_KyaYHn_J8174M28ix2sgqzxMwKX6cDUmiz1RW8&sig=AOD64_1ghZassSX5ETcNLYql03H3H0q7zA&q&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwiB_pGoyd7-AhX0kYkEHbt1AUoQ0Qx6BAgFEAE https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEw... Same with this wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20U.S.%20Bureau,18%25%20of%20the%20female%20population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St....
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Where is the harvesting of organs chapter?
  - gmerc 4y ago
    Didn’t we discuss medical experiments on people the other day? In the Us? Feeding women and babies radioactive substances?
eternalban 4y ago
> the underlying dynamic really is different Is it? I believe every state, or its establishment, acts forcefully to protect against what they consider potential existential threats. Given that the Western states and their establishment are atleast 2 centuries ahead of the curve of anyone else in terms of modern state apparatus, ideological basis (...), it is natural that we will observe distinct patterns of oppression and red lines. Most of the emerging powers are acutely sensitive to ideological challenges, challenges to the legitimacy of the establishment, precisely because they are the newly arrived and insecure in their position. Someone mentioned Julian Assange. Why did US and UK come down so hard on this guy? Because he represents an existential threat: he represents dissident factions in their intelligence communities (5 eyes) and that layer of the system is central to their maintenance of power and they will -not- tolerate any challenges in that area. So the equations defining the dynamic are identical. We just need to plug in the appropriate values for the equation's variables.
- lisper 4y ago
  > Is it? Yes. > I believe every state, or its establishment, acts forcefully to protect against what they consider potential existential threats. Of course. But just because they all have this one feature in common does not mean that they do not have additional features that distinguish them.

by lisper 4y ago

> the US incarcerates more people than China does Yes, but mostly because of race, not politics. (Not that that's any better, but the underlying dynamic really is different.)

0000011111 4y ago

Right the book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness is a good primer for this concept. https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwi4l5yoyd7-AhWG8-MHHQi2C6wYABAAGgJ5bQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESbeD2ASZz_7bsWiQ_5BFCAZ2wuqI0RRiv3bCQSTH4g8Pmbu2POusB9taySfFPoJNdBeMyBf2MsL7As_mYLopBuljac-mX_2Cei5VdRFe9jTZr_KyaYHn_J8174M28ix2sgqzxMwKX6cDUmiz1RW8&sig=AOD64_1ghZassSX5ETcNLYql03H3H0q7zA&q&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwiB_pGoyd7-AhX0kYkEHbt1AUoQ0Qx6BAgFEAE https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEw... Same with this wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20U.S.%20Bureau,18%25%20of%20the%20female%20population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St....

ipaddr 4y ago
Where is the harvesting of organs chapter?
- gmerc 4y ago
  Didn’t we discuss medical experiments on people the other day? In the Us? Feeding women and babies radioactive substances?

eternalban 4y ago

> the underlying dynamic really is different Is it? I believe every state, or its establishment, acts forcefully to protect against what they consider potential existential threats. Given that the Western states and their establishment are atleast 2 centuries ahead of the curve of anyone else in terms of modern state apparatus, ideological basis (...), it is natural that we will observe distinct patterns of oppression and red lines. Most of the emerging powers are acutely sensitive to ideological challenges, challenges to the legitimacy of the establishment, precisely because they are the newly arrived and insecure in their position. Someone mentioned Julian Assange. Why did US and UK come down so hard on this guy? Because he represents an existential threat: he represents dissident factions in their intelligence communities (5 eyes) and that layer of the system is central to their maintenance of power and they will -not- tolerate any challenges in that area. So the equations defining the dynamic are identical. We just need to plug in the appropriate values for the equation's variables.

lisper 4y ago
> Is it? Yes. > I believe every state, or its establishment, acts forcefully to protect against what they consider potential existential threats. Of course. But just because they all have this one feature in common does not mean that they do not have additional features that distinguish them.