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Most small local newspapers are owned by huge megacorps. GDPR EU laws and some others explicitly say that they can be enforced to entities outside the EU. I don

by mgbmtl 3y ago

Most small local newspapers are owned by huge megacorps. GDPR EU laws and some others explicitly say that they can be enforced to entities outside the EU. I don't know if it has ever been enforced, except for large multinationals. The US does do that kind of thing though. As a dev, break some law, step foot in the US for a conference, get arrested (ex: Sklyarov 2001 case, for breaking PDF encryption). Although for most financial things, it's common in US/CA to block non-local IPs. Heck, I was in Mexico and I couldn't login to my provincial government tax portal. There are constant security issues with those sites.

BrandoElFollito 3y ago
> GDPR EU laws and some others explicitly say that they can be enforced to entities outside the EU They can tell whatever they want, but it would need to be a US court (in that case) who would do the litigation. Which they won't. > The US does do that kind of thing though. As a dev, break some law, step foot in the US for a conference, get arrested yes, this is why I mentioned that my point is only for local businesses. Travel or business in the EU can/will be problematic. > Heck, I was in Mexico and I couldn't login to my provincial government tax portal. There are constant security issues with those sites. Blocking for security is another thing. Maybe a good idea, maybe not - but that's another story.
- lxgr 3y ago
  > They can tell whatever they want, but it would need to be a US court (in that case) who would do the litigation. Which they won't. That's a pretty incomplete view of how jurisdiction works. You do probably need a US court ruling to enforce a claim against a US entity – but if that entity has any EU subsidiaries or assets, you can bet that European courts will come after those. > Blocking for security is another thing. Maybe a good idea, maybe not - but that's another story. As a customer/taxpayer that needs access to a service from abroad, I really don't care why I have to jump through hoops to cancel a subscription/order or pay my taxes owed.
  - BrandoElFollito 3y ago
    > That's a pretty incomplete view of how jurisdiction works. You do probably need a US court ruling to enforce a claim against a US entity – but if that entity has any EU subsidiaries or assets, you can bet that European courts will come after those. I am not sure you read my post in details - I explicitly mentioned that I am talking about local services, without any international footprint. And mentioned that in case of this footprint - yes, they will be sought after. This is also exactly waht the US does to enforce their "extraterritoriality"
    - mgbmtl 3y ago
      They're maybe local services, but they're not local businesses. c.f. my post :) And they can be enforced not only from assets, but also from travel or various financial tools at their disposal. (it would be surprising, but for many businesses, it's not worth the hassle)
    - noizejoy 3y ago
      The business may be local but the owner or other management or employees may wish to keep all of their travel options wide open without fear of some obscure foreign law that might hold them individually responsible. The golden days of global network accessibility are closing little by little.

by mgbmtl 3y ago

BrandoElFollito 3y ago

> GDPR EU laws and some others explicitly say that they can be enforced to entities outside the EU They can tell whatever they want, but it would need to be a US court (in that case) who would do the litigation. Which they won't. > The US does do that kind of thing though. As a dev, break some law, step foot in the US for a conference, get arrested yes, this is why I mentioned that my point is only for local businesses. Travel or business in the EU can/will be problematic. > Heck, I was in Mexico and I couldn't login to my provincial government tax portal. There are constant security issues with those sites. Blocking for security is another thing. Maybe a good idea, maybe not - but that's another story.

lxgr 3y ago
> They can tell whatever they want, but it would need to be a US court (in that case) who would do the litigation. Which they won't. That's a pretty incomplete view of how jurisdiction works. You do probably need a US court ruling to enforce a claim against a US entity – but if that entity has any EU subsidiaries or assets, you can bet that European courts will come after those. > Blocking for security is another thing. Maybe a good idea, maybe not - but that's another story. As a customer/taxpayer that needs access to a service from abroad, I really don't care why I have to jump through hoops to cancel a subscription/order or pay my taxes owed.
- BrandoElFollito 3y ago
  > That's a pretty incomplete view of how jurisdiction works. You do probably need a US court ruling to enforce a claim against a US entity – but if that entity has any EU subsidiaries or assets, you can bet that European courts will come after those. I am not sure you read my post in details - I explicitly mentioned that I am talking about local services, without any international footprint. And mentioned that in case of this footprint - yes, they will be sought after. This is also exactly waht the US does to enforce their "extraterritoriality"
  - mgbmtl 3y ago
    They're maybe local services, but they're not local businesses. c.f. my post :) And they can be enforced not only from assets, but also from travel or various financial tools at their disposal. (it would be surprising, but for many businesses, it's not worth the hassle)
  - noizejoy 3y ago
    The business may be local but the owner or other management or employees may wish to keep all of their travel options wide open without fear of some obscure foreign law that might hold them individually responsible. The golden days of global network accessibility are closing little by little.