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Elon brought that on himself. Fortunately SpaceX will be fine even without him at this point.

consumer451 3y ago
Elon going all-in on politics is one of the most disappointing and surprising events in my adult life. Certainly a good lesson in hero worship though. Agreed on SpaceX at this point. Although it would be different, not sure there is a business case for Mars for example.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  What do you mean going 'all-in' on politics. He still doing the exact same thing as before, running SpaceX and Tesla. By 'all-in' you mean make a few statements on twitter about his opinion? Because that is very different definition for 'all-in' then I have. Going 'all-in' would be to try to get elected president or some dumb shit like that.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    > He still doing the exact same thing as before, running SpaceX and Tesla. I think we are living in different realities, which is the new normal I suppose. You missed one company he has recently purchased. You know, the one that is 100% political in nature? Jeez, just imagine the space telescopes or moon bases he could have invested in, but instead we got Twitter allowing self-described Nazis back on the platform. What a tragic waste of Musk's resources, both mental and financial. What I meant by "all-in" was jumping headlong into the hyper-partisan political fray - and loudly choosing a side! Musk 2021: Elon Musk said he prefers to stay out of politics [0] Musk 2022: Elon Musk says he’ll vote Republican, bashes Democrats [1] [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/09/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-spend-millions-to-influence-politics-and-policy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/09/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-spend... [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/18/elon-musk-says-hell-vote-republican-bashes-democrats.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/18/elon-musk-says-hell-vote-rep...
    - panick21_ 3y ago
      Yes running Twitter and Boring as well, but practically the waste majority of his time is Tesla and SpaceX. I believe Musk fought buying Twitter would be both good politically and he could lead the company more successfully. Hence he wanted to get out of it when it was clear that it was a huge as shares dropped. > Musk 2022: Elon Musk says he’ll vote Republican, bashes Democrats [1] I'm not disagreeing that Musk go more political, but calling it 'all-in' is LITERALLY wrong. All-in would be doing politics as his primary occupation.
      - HelloMcFly 3y ago
        Elon Musk went all-in on the culture war of American politics and has vocally sided with the political party on an authoritarian and minoritarian track. He has put his thumb on the scale on more ways than one, including seemingly bad-faith actions e.g. his banning of journalists and unbanning of much less savory characters. He's not running for office, but he's inserted himself part of the larger political narrative.
        panick21_ 3y ago
        Again, this word 'all-in' simply doesn't mean what you think it means. He is not doing a TV show on Fox News 5 days a weak, he isn't running for president. He occasionally tweets something that is political or runs arguable runs Twitter in a political (not sure if its possible to run Twitter in a politically neutral way). His actual job that he spends 95% of his time on is running SpaceX and Tesla, just like before he bought Twitter.
        HelloMcFly 3y ago
        > Again, this word 'all-in' simply doesn't mean what you think it means. Ah, you're the "semantic guy". In this case it did mean exactly what I thought it meant, but not what you wanted it to mean. So I'll speak (nay, write) in literal terms instead of common parlance: Elon Musk has used his more widely visible platform as the CEO of Twitter to advance authoritarian agenda, support and endorse authoritarian leaders (in the US and outside of it), make hate speech easier, make journalism harder, make knowledge generation harder by restricting access to data, and basically mock progressives exclusively. He's also endorsed conspiracy theories, and what I like most: he's adjusted the algorithm to ensure you see more content from himself and the people's he's "blessed".
  - jackmott42 3y ago
    He spent 44 billion to be a right wing twitter troll.
- aksss 3y ago
  I think you find some of these people “getting political” because they’ve been cornered and/or burned by media/government/politicians/ngos, badly. It destroys a lot of illusions they have/had about establishment politicians/media. Once you see through it - the cynical opportunism, hypocrisy, double standards, and assumption of power, abuse of groupthink - it’s not something you unsee. And the multi-modal pressure campaigns of that cabal to try and force compliance cause a certain personality type to push back harder rather than bend over (especially if they have fu money). There’s a list of people in the public sphere like this in the last ten years - Musk, Rogan, Brett Weinstein, Peterson, and I dare say Trump was one too. Contrarian voices. Love ‘em or hate ‘em because reasons, but I think their individualist, critical, and contrarian voices are a necessary feature rather than a bug. Edit: that’s not to say you need to treat these people as heroes - I’m reflexively suspicious of that because human nature will always be what it is, but I applaud their ability to give the finger to convention, that’s all.

Elon going all-in on politics is one of the most disappointing and surprising events in my adult life. Certainly a good lesson in hero worship though. Agreed on SpaceX at this point. Although it would be different, not sure there is a business case for Mars for example.

panick21_ 3y ago
What do you mean going 'all-in' on politics. He still doing the exact same thing as before, running SpaceX and Tesla. By 'all-in' you mean make a few statements on twitter about his opinion? Because that is very different definition for 'all-in' then I have. Going 'all-in' would be to try to get elected president or some dumb shit like that.
- consumer451 3y ago
  > He still doing the exact same thing as before, running SpaceX and Tesla. I think we are living in different realities, which is the new normal I suppose. You missed one company he has recently purchased. You know, the one that is 100% political in nature? Jeez, just imagine the space telescopes or moon bases he could have invested in, but instead we got Twitter allowing self-described Nazis back on the platform. What a tragic waste of Musk's resources, both mental and financial. What I meant by "all-in" was jumping headlong into the hyper-partisan political fray - and loudly choosing a side! Musk 2021: Elon Musk said he prefers to stay out of politics [0] Musk 2022: Elon Musk says he’ll vote Republican, bashes Democrats [1] [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/09/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-spend-millions-to-influence-politics-and-policy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/09/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-spend... [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/18/elon-musk-says-hell-vote-republican-bashes-democrats.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/18/elon-musk-says-hell-vote-rep...
  - panick21_ 3y ago
    Yes running Twitter and Boring as well, but practically the waste majority of his time is Tesla and SpaceX. I believe Musk fought buying Twitter would be both good politically and he could lead the company more successfully. Hence he wanted to get out of it when it was clear that it was a huge as shares dropped. > Musk 2022: Elon Musk says he’ll vote Republican, bashes Democrats [1] I'm not disagreeing that Musk go more political, but calling it 'all-in' is LITERALLY wrong. All-in would be doing politics as his primary occupation.
    - HelloMcFly 3y ago
      Elon Musk went all-in on the culture war of American politics and has vocally sided with the political party on an authoritarian and minoritarian track. He has put his thumb on the scale on more ways than one, including seemingly bad-faith actions e.g. his banning of journalists and unbanning of much less savory characters. He's not running for office, but he's inserted himself part of the larger political narrative.
      - panick21_ 3y ago
        Again, this word 'all-in' simply doesn't mean what you think it means. He is not doing a TV show on Fox News 5 days a weak, he isn't running for president. He occasionally tweets something that is political or runs arguable runs Twitter in a political (not sure if its possible to run Twitter in a politically neutral way). His actual job that he spends 95% of his time on is running SpaceX and Tesla, just like before he bought Twitter.
        HelloMcFly 3y ago
        > Again, this word 'all-in' simply doesn't mean what you think it means. Ah, you're the "semantic guy". In this case it did mean exactly what I thought it meant, but not what you wanted it to mean. So I'll speak (nay, write) in literal terms instead of common parlance: Elon Musk has used his more widely visible platform as the CEO of Twitter to advance authoritarian agenda, support and endorse authoritarian leaders (in the US and outside of it), make hate speech easier, make journalism harder, make knowledge generation harder by restricting access to data, and basically mock progressives exclusively. He's also endorsed conspiracy theories, and what I like most: he's adjusted the algorithm to ensure you see more content from himself and the people's he's "blessed".
- jackmott42 3y ago
  He spent 44 billion to be a right wing twitter troll.
aksss 3y ago
I think you find some of these people “getting political” because they’ve been cornered and/or burned by media/government/politicians/ngos, badly. It destroys a lot of illusions they have/had about establishment politicians/media. Once you see through it - the cynical opportunism, hypocrisy, double standards, and assumption of power, abuse of groupthink - it’s not something you unsee. And the multi-modal pressure campaigns of that cabal to try and force compliance cause a certain personality type to push back harder rather than bend over (especially if they have fu money). There’s a list of people in the public sphere like this in the last ten years - Musk, Rogan, Brett Weinstein, Peterson, and I dare say Trump was one too. Contrarian voices. Love ‘em or hate ‘em because reasons, but I think their individualist, critical, and contrarian voices are a necessary feature rather than a bug. Edit: that’s not to say you need to treat these people as heroes - I’m reflexively suspicious of that because human nature will always be what it is, but I applaud their ability to give the finger to convention, that’s all.