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Indeed! I have 4 library bookshelves (7 foot tall ones). And they're packed with books. Bought books. But dealing with more current "online books" are a fra

by pierat 3y ago

Indeed! I have 4 library bookshelves (7 foot tall ones). And they're packed with books. *Bought* books. But dealing with more current "online books" are a fraud. They 'sell' these books, but in actuality they're rentals due to DRM. I cant read them on Linux; I cant sell them; I cant read them on my phone; I can't print past their arbitrary print limits. I have none of the same rights of these physical books. So, yeah, I'll pirate.

internetter 3y ago
I'd say, maybe buy the physical book and pirate the Ebooks. I haven't been the best at this... I just buy the ebooks and strip them... But I suppose I could buy a physical book locally and have a loaner for a friend, or give it to charity
- sn0wf1re 3y ago
  Kill a tree just so that you can feel morally correct and the author gets a 2¢ royalty? Naw, just pirate and don't feel bad since apparently that is what publishers want you to do[0]. Maybe buy the author a coffee if you ever run into them. [0] based on their actions it sure seems like this is the case.
  - kennend3 3y ago
    "Kill a tree just so that you can feel morally correct and the author gets a 2¢ royalty? " As others have said, you seem shockingly unaware that trees are GROWN specifically for making paper. NO ONE is cutting down premium "old growth" forests to make paper.. Nice "virtue signal" on your part, too bad you did not spend 5 mins to learn where paper comes from first.
  - B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
    > Kill a tree You know that paper producers own land where they farm trees for pulp, right? It's not like they're making deserts out there randomly chopping down trees.
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      Those forest they own came with trees that would be preserved if they didn't exist. They do make deserts out of forests when they clearcut. A lot of land is owned by others (governments, native tribes) and permits are used to extract the pulp
      - dreamcompiler 3y ago
        Trees grown for paper pulp regrow quickly and are farmed. If you know of old-growth forests that have recently been clearcut for paper pulp, please cite a source.
  - throwaway675309 3y ago
    "Kill a tree just so that you can feel morally correct" Because the cost of manufacturing a hardware eReader and keeping it charged doesn't have a corresponding carbon footprint. "Maybe buy the author a coffee if you ever run into them" Because that'll keep them solvent.
- rrix2 3y ago
  This is what I do. The physical copy exists to be a conversation piece on a shelf, to loan out, talk to friends about, not mind losing to a family member who's visiting, etc. The digital copy exists to mark up, index, search, highlight, learn from, etc. If it's not on LibGen I'll buy it on Kobo and strip it in to my library using Obok DeDRM and an old ePaper reader I wouldn't want to use otherwise, and then buy a physical copy of it's something I'd want to share. So often the books I loan out are "clean" and don't even have a wrinkle in the spine but sometimes I'll go through and dog-ear important passages or pencil-line particular parts. I've had friends assume I hadn't actually read the book until we pull out koreader and go over my highlights.
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musicale 3y ago
> I have none of the same rights of these physical books. So much effort spent creating DRM systems that try to destroy the natural advantages of ebooks over paper books. Ebooks and the internet could have ushered in a golden age of worldwide digital libraries unlimited by the location or quantity of physical paper books. The current copyright and technical control regime may be good for some publishers and authors, but at what cost in terms of lost value to humanity as a whole?

Indeed! I have 4 library bookshelves (7 foot tall ones). And they're packed with books. *Bought* books. But dealing with more current "online books" are a fra

by pierat 3y ago

internetter 3y ago

I'd say, maybe buy the physical book and pirate the Ebooks. I haven't been the best at this... I just buy the ebooks and strip them... But I suppose I could buy a physical book locally and have a loaner for a friend, or give it to charity

sn0wf1re 3y ago
Kill a tree just so that you can feel morally correct and the author gets a 2¢ royalty? Naw, just pirate and don't feel bad since apparently that is what publishers want you to do[0]. Maybe buy the author a coffee if you ever run into them. [0] based on their actions it sure seems like this is the case.
- kennend3 3y ago
  "Kill a tree just so that you can feel morally correct and the author gets a 2¢ royalty? " As others have said, you seem shockingly unaware that trees are GROWN specifically for making paper. NO ONE is cutting down premium "old growth" forests to make paper.. Nice "virtue signal" on your part, too bad you did not spend 5 mins to learn where paper comes from first.
- B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
  > Kill a tree You know that paper producers own land where they farm trees for pulp, right? It's not like they're making deserts out there randomly chopping down trees.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Those forest they own came with trees that would be preserved if they didn't exist. They do make deserts out of forests when they clearcut. A lot of land is owned by others (governments, native tribes) and permits are used to extract the pulp
    - dreamcompiler 3y ago
      Trees grown for paper pulp regrow quickly and are farmed. If you know of old-growth forests that have recently been clearcut for paper pulp, please cite a source.
- throwaway675309 3y ago
  "Kill a tree just so that you can feel morally correct" Because the cost of manufacturing a hardware eReader and keeping it charged doesn't have a corresponding carbon footprint. "Maybe buy the author a coffee if you ever run into them" Because that'll keep them solvent.
rrix2 3y ago
This is what I do. The physical copy exists to be a conversation piece on a shelf, to loan out, talk to friends about, not mind losing to a family member who's visiting, etc. The digital copy exists to mark up, index, search, highlight, learn from, etc. If it's not on LibGen I'll buy it on Kobo and strip it in to my library using Obok DeDRM and an old ePaper reader I wouldn't want to use otherwise, and then buy a physical copy of it's something I'd want to share. So often the books I loan out are "clean" and don't even have a wrinkle in the spine but sometimes I'll go through and dog-ear important passages or pencil-line particular parts. I've had friends assume I hadn't actually read the book until we pull out koreader and go over my highlights.

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musicale 3y ago

> I have none of the same rights of these physical books. So much effort spent creating DRM systems that try to destroy the natural advantages of ebooks over paper books. Ebooks and the internet could have ushered in a golden age of worldwide digital libraries unlimited by the location or quantity of physical paper books. The current copyright and technical control regime may be good for some publishers and authors, but at what cost in terms of lost value to humanity as a whole?