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>The US government needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Problem is, how do you do that outside of violent revolution? You can't, really. Therefore, there is

>The US government needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Problem is, how do you do that outside of violent revolution? You can't, really. Therefore, there is no answer, and we're all fucked. Stop electing the same people. Stop putting the same political parties in power.

DangitBobby 3y ago
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos! But seriously, remember when the DNC sabotaged Bernie Sanders? Twice? It's kind of hard to take anything about change through voting seriously. The rot and corruption has taken over, and I don't think we can vote our way out. As for parties, the spoiler effect means we will never see a serious 3rd party, that ship has sailed.
- Clubber 3y ago
  A third party needs to build itself up via the house and the senate over several years before it has any hopes of taking the presidency. The GOP did it under Lincoln and the Democrats did it under Jackson, so it's possible, just not likely, until it is. Forget the presidency, vote 3rd party for house and eventually senate, then possibly the presidency. It's more likely now than it's been in a long time because the traditional media isn't as powerful as they were. The traditional media (TV, Newspapers) typically is hyper critical of third parties because they are financially and ideologically in bed with the existing two. "What is Aleppo?" https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-227873 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-2...
- deprecative 3y ago
  The way to fix this with the system is by voting locally and federally to remove the gears of power that don't want to move to their constituent's will. While I appreciate a certain resistance or hesitancy toward action (or inaction) it's unfortunate that we as a society routinely elects the same people to the positions of power and then expect anything to change. It won't. If you want to change the DNC you need to have a majority of the DNC on your side. That means getting involved not only in governance but also politics. Barely anyone does the former and even less do the second.
- ultrarunner 3y ago
  It's not just the spoiler effect. Republicans and Democrats have voted on ballot requirements that often hold a higher bar for third parties than for republicans and democrats. Like the spoiler effect, these things fixing these things only requires political will— a will that has direct negative incentives for the parties that could change it.

DangitBobby 3y ago

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos! But seriously, remember when the DNC sabotaged Bernie Sanders? Twice? It's kind of hard to take anything about change through voting seriously. The rot and corruption has taken over, and I don't think we can vote our way out. As for parties, the spoiler effect means we will never see a serious 3rd party, that ship has sailed.

Clubber 3y ago
A third party needs to build itself up via the house and the senate over several years before it has any hopes of taking the presidency. The GOP did it under Lincoln and the Democrats did it under Jackson, so it's possible, just not likely, until it is. Forget the presidency, vote 3rd party for house and eventually senate, then possibly the presidency. It's more likely now than it's been in a long time because the traditional media isn't as powerful as they were. The traditional media (TV, Newspapers) typically is hyper critical of third parties because they are financially and ideologically in bed with the existing two. "What is Aleppo?" https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-227873 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-2...
deprecative 3y ago
The way to fix this with the system is by voting locally and federally to remove the gears of power that don't want to move to their constituent's will. While I appreciate a certain resistance or hesitancy toward action (or inaction) it's unfortunate that we as a society routinely elects the same people to the positions of power and then expect anything to change. It won't. If you want to change the DNC you need to have a majority of the DNC on your side. That means getting involved not only in governance but also politics. Barely anyone does the former and even less do the second.
ultrarunner 3y ago
It's not just the spoiler effect. Republicans and Democrats have voted on ballot requirements that often hold a higher bar for third parties than for republicans and democrats. Like the spoiler effect, these things fixing these things only requires political will— a will that has direct negative incentives for the parties that could change it.