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An open-source Pinecone alternative https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant With a cloud offering along https://cloud.qdrant.io https

An open-source Pinecone alternative https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant With a cloud offering along https://cloud.qdrant.io https://cloud.qdrant.io with 1GB cluster for free to try out. Disclaimer: I'm part of the team.

mbrochh 3y ago
Is it different/better than https://milvus.io https://milvus.io ?
jcmoscon 3y ago
Hey this is pretty cool! I will try it! Thanks for sharing it.
echelon 3y ago
Perfect for our next zero shot model. We'll give it a spin! Thanks for building this.
zcesur 3y ago
qdrant also pays open source contributors: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35828003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35828003 disclaimer: i'm a founder at algora.io, the platform that enables these paid contributions
- ffback 3y ago
  "Algora charges a 23% fee over your rewarded bounties (20% Algora fee + 3% Stripe fee). The fee is applied when you complete your bounty payments." https://docs.algora.io/bounties/payments#compliance https://docs.algora.io/bounties/payments#compliance If algora.io didn't charge %23 of the bounty I would have tried to contribute. It felt unfair to me.
  - zcesur 3y ago
    hey ffback, contributors get 100% of the bounty award :) the organization pays the fee on top of the bounty. will update the docs to make this more clear, thank you!
    - amitport 3y ago
      The organization is willing to pay 123% of the bounty. So from the contributor pov algora's fee is 20/123~=16.2% still high IMHO.
      - thdespou 3y ago
        But if I get a reward for 100 dollars and the company pays 123 dollars which you may not see in your statement then what's the problem?
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - rpeden 3y ago
        They're willing to pay that amount for the bounty + managing and paying out bounties. If they weren't paying Algora to do it, they'd be paying their own staff to do it. Either way, the extra percentage wouldn't be part of the bounty. I'd gladly pay 23% just to not have to worry about the logistics of bounty payments.
bobosha 3y ago
A +1 for qdrant from a happy user. we use qdrant in production with a 50-100MM rows scale. Haven't experienced many bottlenecks thus far, and has performed quite well. @qdrant_team: perhaps you should look into offering it as a service, a la pinecone. edit: oops just checked your (updated) website and notice you have an offering already. Congrats! will check it out. ty =)
- andre-z 3y ago
  You are welcome! Feel free to reach out for the early adopter discount ;)
vlovich123 3y ago
Curious with why you went for an Apache license. Aren’t you worried about copy-cat services? Or does the OSS version lack the scaling/distributed features that would be more difficult to replicate? I think that was ES’s fatal mistake and their licensing games are unlikely to pan out.
- softfalcon 3y ago
  The Coral Project [0] (commenting platform used on Washington Post, New York Times, The Verge) uses an Apache 2.0 license [1]. Which doesn't seem to have prevented it from raking in big SaaS customers. A lot of people worry about copy-cat services, but it's kind of rare that someone will be able to compete with you as the original in hosting your own service as well as you can. Especially when you consider support and maintenance requirements of a new product you aren't personally developing. I could see copy-cat services being more of an issue in the late stage of a product though? When everyone knows lots about how to stand it up and use it? [0] https://coralproject.net/ https://coralproject.net/ [1] https://github.com/coralproject/talk/blob/develop/LICENSE https://github.com/coralproject/talk/blob/develop/LICENSE
  - jacobr1 3y ago
    > I could see copy-cat services being more of an issue in the late stage of a product though? When everyone knows lots about how to stand it up and use it? The concern isn't random small companies. The concern is the big cloud providers like AWS, Azure and Google. And you are right, they aren't going build out a hosted version of your product until there is enough traction. But at that point, customers might indeed trust them more than you to run your own software! Redis and Elastic ran into this problem for example. The most likely scenario though - is never getting traction - so anything to improve traction such as permissive licensing is probably a better tradeoff.
    - softfalcon 3y ago
      I'll be honest, this did occur to me, but by the time it popped into my head, I had run out of time to add an edit addressing it. Thanks for pointing it out so folks can be wary of AWS (and similar) eating their lunch like they have countless other SaaS services!
woile 3y ago
how much do one need to know of databases to work at qdrant? Sounds like a nice place to work, specially if remote
- andre-z 3y ago
  Well, to work on the core of the Qdrant engine https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant you should have some db knowledge but even more important are Rust skills. However, we have also other products, like the cloud platform https://cloud.qdrant.io https://cloud.qdrant.io there we are looking for different skills.
monkeydust 3y ago
Might try this, using pinecone but there documentation even for simple use cases is pretty poor.

mbrochh 3y ago

Is it different/better than https://milvus.io https://milvus.io ?

jcmoscon 3y ago

Hey this is pretty cool! I will try it! Thanks for sharing it.

echelon 3y ago

Perfect for our next zero shot model. We'll give it a spin! Thanks for building this.

zcesur 3y ago

qdrant also pays open source contributors: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35828003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35828003 disclaimer: i'm a founder at algora.io, the platform that enables these paid contributions

ffback 3y ago
"Algora charges a 23% fee over your rewarded bounties (20% Algora fee + 3% Stripe fee). The fee is applied when you complete your bounty payments." https://docs.algora.io/bounties/payments#compliance https://docs.algora.io/bounties/payments#compliance If algora.io didn't charge %23 of the bounty I would have tried to contribute. It felt unfair to me.
- zcesur 3y ago
  hey ffback, contributors get 100% of the bounty award :) the organization pays the fee on top of the bounty. will update the docs to make this more clear, thank you!
  - amitport 3y ago
    The organization is willing to pay 123% of the bounty. So from the contributor pov algora's fee is 20/123~=16.2% still high IMHO.
    - thdespou 3y ago
      But if I get a reward for 100 dollars and the company pays 123 dollars which you may not see in your statement then what's the problem?
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - rpeden 3y ago
      They're willing to pay that amount for the bounty + managing and paying out bounties. If they weren't paying Algora to do it, they'd be paying their own staff to do it. Either way, the extra percentage wouldn't be part of the bounty. I'd gladly pay 23% just to not have to worry about the logistics of bounty payments.

bobosha 3y ago

A +1 for qdrant from a happy user. we use qdrant in production with a 50-100MM rows scale. Haven't experienced many bottlenecks thus far, and has performed quite well. @qdrant_team: perhaps you should look into offering it as a service, a la pinecone. edit: oops just checked your (updated) website and notice you have an offering already. Congrats! will check it out. ty =)

andre-z 3y ago
You are welcome! Feel free to reach out for the early adopter discount ;)

vlovich123 3y ago

Curious with why you went for an Apache license. Aren’t you worried about copy-cat services? Or does the OSS version lack the scaling/distributed features that would be more difficult to replicate? I think that was ES’s fatal mistake and their licensing games are unlikely to pan out.

softfalcon 3y ago
The Coral Project [0] (commenting platform used on Washington Post, New York Times, The Verge) uses an Apache 2.0 license [1]. Which doesn't seem to have prevented it from raking in big SaaS customers. A lot of people worry about copy-cat services, but it's kind of rare that someone will be able to compete with you as the original in hosting your own service as well as you can. Especially when you consider support and maintenance requirements of a new product you aren't personally developing. I could see copy-cat services being more of an issue in the late stage of a product though? When everyone knows lots about how to stand it up and use it? [0] https://coralproject.net/ https://coralproject.net/ [1] https://github.com/coralproject/talk/blob/develop/LICENSE https://github.com/coralproject/talk/blob/develop/LICENSE
- jacobr1 3y ago
  > I could see copy-cat services being more of an issue in the late stage of a product though? When everyone knows lots about how to stand it up and use it? The concern isn't random small companies. The concern is the big cloud providers like AWS, Azure and Google. And you are right, they aren't going build out a hosted version of your product until there is enough traction. But at that point, customers might indeed trust them more than you to run your own software! Redis and Elastic ran into this problem for example. The most likely scenario though - is never getting traction - so anything to improve traction such as permissive licensing is probably a better tradeoff.
  - softfalcon 3y ago
    I'll be honest, this did occur to me, but by the time it popped into my head, I had run out of time to add an edit addressing it. Thanks for pointing it out so folks can be wary of AWS (and similar) eating their lunch like they have countless other SaaS services!

woile 3y ago

how much do one need to know of databases to work at qdrant? Sounds like a nice place to work, specially if remote

andre-z 3y ago
Well, to work on the core of the Qdrant engine https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant you should have some db knowledge but even more important are Rust skills. However, we have also other products, like the cloud platform https://cloud.qdrant.io https://cloud.qdrant.io there we are looking for different skills.

monkeydust 3y ago

Might try this, using pinecone but there documentation even for simple use cases is pretty poor.