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The city of San Francisco spends $70,000 annually per homeless person! <https://abc7news.com/sf-homeless-plan-housing-all-san-francisco-supervisor-rafael-mandel

by TMWNN 4y ago

The city of San Francisco spends $70,000 annually per homeless person! <https://abc7news.com/sf-homeless-plan-housing-all-san-francisco-supervisor-rafael-mandelman/12760671/ https://abc7news.com/sf-homeless-plan-housing-all-san-franci...> The homeless there are homeless because severe mental and addiction issues cause them to reject help, not because resources aren't available.

misja111 4y ago
Also they can remain homeless because of the climate. In Finland they would simply freeze to death.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  > Also they can remain homeless because of the climate. Weather is part of the reason, but not the most important one. If it were, San Diego would have a worse homeless problem than San Francisco. The most important difference is that the city of San Diego spends one third as much as San Francisco per homeless person. ($46.8 million in city spending[1] for an estimated 1900 homeless.[2]) San Francisco has an enormous homeless-industrial complex that uses every virtue-signaling, heart-tugging propaganda tool at its disposal to increase the flow of money thrown into its bottomless maw, despite no metric ever improving one bit whatsoever. [1] <https://www.lajollalight.com/news/story/2023-04-15/san-diego-mayors-proposed-budget-includes-millions-more-to-address-homelessness-and-streets https://www.lajollalight.com/news/story/2023-04-15/san-diego...> [2] <https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-07/downtown-homeless-population-reaches-another-high https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-07/downtown...> [3] [3] The count is only of the homeless in downtown San Diego. While presumably most homeless San Diegans are there, just as there are very few San Franciscans living on the sidewalk in Pac Heights, the point is that a larger number would mean that much less spending per homeless person in the city as a whole, and that much more glaring a discrepancy between the two cities.
pyuser583 4y ago
The reasons vary a lot. There really are different “types” of homeless.
indy 4y ago
How effectively is that money spent? My cynical assumption would be that most of the money goes into employing political allies of the city of San Francisco.
- 1023bytes 4y ago
  Seems to work well in NYC https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/nyregion/the-homeless-shelter-executive-who-earns-1-million-a-year.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/nyregion/the-homeless-she...
- TMWNN 4y ago
  > My cynical assumption would be that most of the money goes into employing political allies of the city of San Francisco. More or less, yes. See my other comment on the city's homeless-industrial complex.
newjersey 4y ago
I don't think that number means anything. 1. Looking at the article, it looks like a proposal, not actual spending 2. Even if you spend it, I doubt the people get any of that money. Are these shelters paying market rate for their real estate? Some weird local property taxes that get absorbed right back? I think overall, like many problems this one is something we should handle at a federal level.

by TMWNN 4y ago

misja111 4y ago

Also they can remain homeless because of the climate. In Finland they would simply freeze to death.

TMWNN 4y ago
> Also they can remain homeless because of the climate. Weather is part of the reason, but not the most important one. If it were, San Diego would have a worse homeless problem than San Francisco. The most important difference is that the city of San Diego spends one third as much as San Francisco per homeless person. ($46.8 million in city spending[1] for an estimated 1900 homeless.[2]) San Francisco has an enormous homeless-industrial complex that uses every virtue-signaling, heart-tugging propaganda tool at its disposal to increase the flow of money thrown into its bottomless maw, despite no metric ever improving one bit whatsoever. [1] <https://www.lajollalight.com/news/story/2023-04-15/san-diego-mayors-proposed-budget-includes-millions-more-to-address-homelessness-and-streets https://www.lajollalight.com/news/story/2023-04-15/san-diego...> [2] <https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-07/downtown-homeless-population-reaches-another-high https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-07/downtown...> [3] [3] The count is only of the homeless in downtown San Diego. While presumably most homeless San Diegans are there, just as there are very few San Franciscans living on the sidewalk in Pac Heights, the point is that a larger number would mean that much less spending per homeless person in the city as a whole, and that much more glaring a discrepancy between the two cities.

pyuser583 4y ago

The reasons vary a lot. There really are different “types” of homeless.

indy 4y ago

How effectively is that money spent? My cynical assumption would be that most of the money goes into employing political allies of the city of San Francisco.

1023bytes 4y ago
Seems to work well in NYC https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/nyregion/the-homeless-shelter-executive-who-earns-1-million-a-year.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/nyregion/the-homeless-she...
TMWNN 4y ago
> My cynical assumption would be that most of the money goes into employing political allies of the city of San Francisco. More or less, yes. See my other comment on the city's homeless-industrial complex.

newjersey 4y ago

I don't think that number means anything. 1. Looking at the article, it looks like a proposal, not actual spending 2. Even if you spend it, I doubt the people get any of that money. Are these shelters paying market rate for their real estate? Some weird local property taxes that get absorbed right back? I think overall, like many problems this one is something we should handle at a federal level.