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I find this article to be embarrassingly bad. Just find metro areas and compare neighborhoods and observe density levels, and see the effect on price. The auth

I find this article to be embarrassingly bad. Just find metro areas and compare neighborhoods and observe density levels, and see the effect on price. The author clearly has an agenda and basically wrote the article around it. Why all the conjecture? I was bored so I did a very crude estimate. Houston has 982,694 homes according to the census data in 665 square miles. Austin has 426,899 homes in 271 square miles. So Austin is denser and more expensive. To me this makes sense. Denser areas are more popular, and popularity results in high income people coming in and biding up prices. This is why there are no dense areas that are cheap.

pickovven 4y ago
The article isn't great but your analysis is probably worse. No per Capita analysis? No income analysis? Only two cities? This is actually a challenging question to answer. Thankfully other people have done research and we can reference that if we actually want to know the answer, rather than just prove our priors to ourselves.
davidw 4y ago
Land is going to be expensive in popular areas, but dense housing means that you can get a lot more housing on the same land, so you can still contain prices, even if they're probably not going to be super low. Let's look at the prices in Chicago, which is a pretty dense place: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Chicago_IL/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Chicago_IL... - $350K Now let's look at the fairly bland, suburban college town where I grew up, which is not dense: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Eugene_OR/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Eugene_OR/... - $495K! Eugene is far more expensive than the dense place with a lot of amenities and jobs.
- atdrummond 4y ago
  I would argue Eugene’s market is heavily influenced by Nike and UOregon (and recently remote worker flight from downtown Portland) and as such, drawing a line directly from its lack of density to lack of affordability strains credulity for me. This relationship between density and cost reverses for nearby towns like Springfield even though they share many of Eugene’s characteristics.
  - davidw 4y ago
    The point was that density doesn't "cause" housing to be expensive.
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- rufus_foreman 3y ago
  Chicago doesn't have an urban growth boundary.
hackerlight 4y ago
> I find this article to be embarrassingly bad. Just find metro areas and compare neighborhoods and observe density levels, and see the effect on price. This sketch of an analysis is significantly worse than what's in the article. You can't estimate effects by correlating levels. You need to correlate deltas, at minimum. You also need a reason to think those deltas are causally linked, in that you're not suffering from omitted variable bias, which is why you need a natural experiment. The article follows this correct methodology by discussing the Austin natural experiment.

pickovven 4y ago

The article isn't great but your analysis is probably worse. No per Capita analysis? No income analysis? Only two cities? This is actually a challenging question to answer. Thankfully other people have done research and we can reference that if we actually want to know the answer, rather than just prove our priors to ourselves.

davidw 4y ago

Land is going to be expensive in popular areas, but dense housing means that you can get a lot more housing on the same land, so you can still contain prices, even if they're probably not going to be super low. Let's look at the prices in Chicago, which is a pretty dense place: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Chicago_IL/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Chicago_IL... - $350K Now let's look at the fairly bland, suburban college town where I grew up, which is not dense: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Eugene_OR/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Eugene_OR/... - $495K! Eugene is far more expensive than the dense place with a lot of amenities and jobs.

atdrummond 4y ago
I would argue Eugene’s market is heavily influenced by Nike and UOregon (and recently remote worker flight from downtown Portland) and as such, drawing a line directly from its lack of density to lack of affordability strains credulity for me. This relationship between density and cost reverses for nearby towns like Springfield even though they share many of Eugene’s characteristics.
- davidw 4y ago
  The point was that density doesn't "cause" housing to be expensive.
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rufus_foreman 3y ago
Chicago doesn't have an urban growth boundary.

hackerlight 4y ago

> I find this article to be embarrassingly bad. Just find metro areas and compare neighborhoods and observe density levels, and see the effect on price. This sketch of an analysis is significantly worse than what's in the article. You can't estimate effects by correlating levels. You need to correlate deltas, at minimum. You also need a reason to think those deltas are causally linked, in that you're not suffering from omitted variable bias, which is why you need a natural experiment. The article follows this correct methodology by discussing the Austin natural experiment.